Isnt this Rascist ?

banjoman · 09-09-2008, 16:24

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specifically if there is a Metropolitan Black Police Association (BPA) that only allows members to be of a certain ethinic group, is that discriminating against people not of that ethnic group ?

And I wonder the uproar if a White Police Association was made.Or a Men Only one....

WillowTheWhisp · 09-09-2008, 16:29

Things like that have always seemed racist to me. I think we'd all get on a lot better if people stopped making distinctions for skin colour. We don't do it for eye colour or hair colour or shoe size do we?

Neil · 09-09-2008, 16:44

Of course its discriminating but it is anti white so is ok.

blazey · 10-09-2008, 00:27

There is a group for black and ethnic minority solicitors, female solicitors too... I think sometimes support networks are needed.

Maybe we could get rid of unions and groups altogether and ignore class differences too. That would be interesting.

cashman · 10-09-2008, 00:49

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Originally Posted by blazey

There is a group for black and ethnic minority solicitors, female solicitors too... I think sometimes support networks are needed.

Maybe we could get rid of unions and groups altogether and ignore class differences too. That would be interesting.

maybe you would not be were you are now, if unions hadn't existed,

we would all still be touching our forelocks to our masters,

WillowTheWhisp · 10-09-2008, 07:40

Unions are not the same at all. Unions make no racial distinctions unless we have a 'black workers union' or some such.

jaysay · 10-09-2008, 09:53

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Originally Posted by cashman

maybe you would not be were you are now, if unions hadn't existed,

we would all still be touching our forelocks to our masters,

You mean you don't still do that cashy

, and there's me thinking we all had to bow down to Gordon

jaysay · 10-09-2008, 10:01

I've always had a problem with this positive discrimination, we're always being told that we live in an integrated society, but yet we have Black Trade Unions, Black Police officers associations, even the MOBOs Music of Back Origin. Just inmagine the uproar there'd be be if some one came up with MOWOs, Music of White Origin. The PC bregade can't have it both ways, its all or nothing, either we're all racists or nobody is, you can't have one rule for one set of people and another for the others based on the colour of the skin

garinda · 10-09-2008, 11:04

Yes, by it's very nature, this is racist.

Apparently there's a long list of associations you can join in the Met, if you're part of that demographic.

There are Jewish, Women's, Gay, Sikh, Muslim, as well as black groups.

Since there are laws already in place if is someone is discriminated against, on grounds of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race or creed, there really should be no need for such organisations, and their very presence is divisive.

grannyclaret · 10-09-2008, 20:11

I am still miffed with the N.H.S .for being against fat people or smokers

keetah992000 · 10-09-2008, 20:44

I disagree that it is racist - I think there is a need for certain jobs and that they are justified.
For example the womens centre in accrington/blackburn can advertise for just women workers because of the sensitive nature of the support they can provide. That isnt sexist it is a need being met.

Now tell me ...

you are in the middle of Moss side you are called to an incident where a yardie is waving a gun around irratically shouting and bawling in a really thick Jamaican accent you need to calm him down quickly but you dont understand a word he is saying except for the fact that he is calling you white scum.

what would you do ?

it happens and unfortunately these are times where jobs are allocated to certain sexes, races or abilities because it is the best option for the situations that crop up in that job.

If there was a job offered for a roofer - would you be saying it was discrmination if it stated you had to have arms and legs

damn you damn you all lol

oh and it turns out he wasnt a yadrie after all - he had dropped his contact lens and was trying to stop people standing on it - the gun was a water pistol to moisturise his eye ballsies

West Ender · 10-09-2008, 21:03

When I was still a working Civil Servant I was not at all happy to hear about meetings of Black Civil Servants, Women C Ss etc. I always felt that if white male C Ss rose up in protest I would have to support them. I believe in equality and that means for everyone, no special deal for anyone. We will never achieve that if ethnic groups insist on forming their own factions.

keetah992000 · 10-09-2008, 21:16

I do agree partly with you west ender there are circumstances where there is no need for it and it could be discriminatory in one way or another but... i do think there is a need for it in some situations.

Royboy39 · 10-09-2008, 21:22

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Originally Posted by garinda

Yes, by it's very nature, this is racist.

Apparently there's a long list of associations you can join in the Met, if you're part of that demographic.

There are Jewish, Women's, Gay, Sikh, Muslim, as well as black groups.

Since there are laws already in place if is someone is discriminated against, on grounds of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race or creed, there really should be no need for such organisations, and their very presence is divisive.

Rindy you have got that spot on....If I want to be in a black association you need to be black.....If you want to declare yourself as catholic...so be it......If you want to come out as a gay...go for it.
I am an Englishman, born, bread and educated in the English culture....Why should I change?
Why should we careful when we come out with a statement that is true?
The mind boggles

WillowTheWhisp · 10-09-2008, 21:23

What you are talking about Keetah isn't racism, it's common sense, but having a 'black police' ORGANISATION or a black anything organisation IS racist.

Interestingly, according to a militant black guy on TV the other day it would appear that, pale as I am, I am in fact a black person due to my ancestry. I wonder if I would be permitted to join one of these exclusivly black organisations.