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06-10-2014, 14:55
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
Just wanted to put a word in for those who according to AccyExplorer 'just work on a till at Asda' - don't know if you've ever tried it but it's not as easy a job as he/she seems to think.Don't get me wrong, of course I'm not comparing it to someone whose work directly affects the health of others but believe me dealing with some members of the public on a daily basis can be quite stressful & would be even worse for both the employee & the customers if anyone tried to do it with a hangover from any substance whether it be alcohol or recreational drugs
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06-10-2014, 15:15
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Originally Posted by Eric
This is all bs, probably just brought up in order to agitate the fecal matter ... nothing to do with drugs and booze ... come to think of it, if booze isn't a drug, then what is it? Bottom line is that it's about common sense and responsibility. If you are aware that you have to show up for work at eight ack emma on monday, just don't be quaffing the booze, or toking, or snorting, or hitting at three. Nobody gives ... or should give ... a flying you-know-what about what you do on your time off. Just don't show up for work, or drive, or operate chainsaws when you are still trashed. If you do, you have a problem ... probably one you would have had even if you spent a sober, straight weekend. People who do this are ignorant, irresponsible assholes, drunk or sober.
A sense of responsibility, a large dose of common sense, and an IQ large enough to figure out how to pour water out of a boot without having to read the instructions written on the heel is all you need to manage, or to balance your recreational habits with your work.
I'm having a quiet toke right now ... but all I have to do today is housework, and walk the hound. If I go out to the bar later, I will take a cab there and back. I've already taken my window shaker out ... yes, Summer is gone . So, nothing else I have to do today requires sober concentration.
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Isn't there is the morale problem though E? I mean, a work place where folk are randomly tested is one that will be short on trust and good feeling won't it?
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There's also the problem of, if folk are tested for drugs today, it isn't such a big move to start to check folk for other undesirable activities tomorrow. Why stop at drugs,why not test folk for STD's,tax evasion or marital infidelity? What is so particularly problematic about these 'drugs'?
Obviously, being off your box at work at work is one thing but I believe a employee should be appraised on their performance and companies are businesses not law enforcement agencies. its funny that on the one hand folk don't want a nanny state, but on the other seem perfectly happy to condone nanny capitalism.Companies should not be allowed to deal with employees (private) illegal behaviour unless it's effecting their proformance.
A employer is allowed to sack you for testing positive for a bit of weed yet the US airforce is allowed to give its pilots amphetamine to improve their concentration over long periods.
U.S. Combat Pilots on Speed - ABC News
Gives a whole new meaning to fighting the war on drugs
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06-10-2014, 15:52
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
It would not be in the interests of an employer to test for sexually transmitted diseases unless that employer ran a brothel.....which is illegal in this country.
You ask what is problematic about these drugs, but this has been answered in previous posts...even you have put forward very good reasons why being under the influence of drugs or alcohol is unsafe.
You are just trying to fudge the issue.
What happens in America has little relevance to this issue......and tax evasion, marital infidelity....if they meant that you were not doing your job properly then an employer might be concerned.......and any issue that meant you were compromised in your job should and would be brought up at yearly appraisals, along with some actions to remedy any performance deficits.
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06-10-2014, 15:52
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer
Why stop at drugs,why not test folk for STD's,tax evasion or marital infidelity? What is so particularly problematic about these 'drugs'?
Obviously, being off your box at work at work is one thing
the US airforce is allowed to give its pilots amphetamine to improve their concentration over long periods.
U.S. Combat Pilots on Speed - ABC News
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Evading tax or having it off with someone else's wife probably won't affect your ability at work(although the second can be tiring).
To quote your attachment 'Their judgement is impaired and they do very bad things. They are among the sickest of all drug addicts'.
We can't have the checkout staff at Asda killing 4 customers and injuring 8 more, can we?
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06-10-2014, 16:45
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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It would not be in the interests of an employer to test for sexually transmitted diseases unless that employer ran a brothel.....which is illegal in this country.
You ask what is problematic about these drugs, but this has been answered in previous posts...even you have put forward very good reasons why being under the influence of drugs or alcohol is unsafe.
You are just trying to fudge the issue.
What happens in America has little relevance to this issue......and tax evasion, marital infidelity....if they meant that you were not doing your job properly then an employer might be concerned.......and any issue that meant you were compromised in your job should and would be brought up at yearly appraisals, along with some actions to remedy any performance deficits.
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Perhaps if the infidelity was being committed in front of customers on the check-out of the above mentioned supermarkets then the employer would have every right to show concern?
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06-10-2014, 17:17
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Perhaps if the infidelity was being committed in front of customers on the check-out of the above mentioned supermarkets then the employer would have every right to show concern?
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I'd certainly want the conveyor belt wiping down before I put my stuff on it!
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06-10-2014, 17:52
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It's not a problem or is it?
Is that a euphemism Gordon.
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06-10-2014, 17:57
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Is that a euphemism Gordon.
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It could be.
Or a Freudian slip!
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06-10-2014, 18:02
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Just wanted to put a word in for those who according to AccyExplorer 'just work on a till at Asda' - don't know if you've ever tried it but it's not as easy a job as he/she seems to think.Don't get me wrong, of course I'm not comparing it to someone whose work directly affects the health of others but believe me dealing with some members of the public on a daily basis can be quite stressful & would be even worse for both the employee & the customers if anyone tried to do it with a hangover from any substance whether it be alcohol or recreational drugs
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Sorry if I offended you Accymad,Asda till clerk was just used as a example.
I'll put it another way,If the till/stockroom clerk of a well known supermarket store has had a cheeky joint or two over the weekend I don't think it represents any grave danger to public safety and as such it should not be any business of their employer.
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06-10-2014, 19:03
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer
Sorry if I offended you Accymad,Asda till clerk was just used as a example.
I'll put it another way,If the till/stockroom clerk of a well known supermarket store has had a cheeky joint or two over the weekend I don't think it represents any grave danger to public safety and as such it should not be any business of their employer.
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Why do supermarkets only open 5 days now?
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06-10-2014, 19:05
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
CDT was introduced into the Army in 1998 & is running still, it's part & parcel of the job the lads & lasses are aware of it & accept it, if not, well they can leave (or get dishonourably discharged) it really is that simple.
You ask why a smoke or a bender at the weekend should be of any concern to the employer, because there's a good chance that the employee that enjoys these liberties in their own time are quite probably going to enjoy the same pleasures through the week. This then impinges on their working ability & daily commitments to their employer (sick days/ inability to function as required) so I don't see any problem with employers using a system that enables their firm & those working there peace of mind concerning their staff & colleagues.
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06-10-2014, 19:11
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
You just do not get it do you?
If someone is unable to do their job properly due to their recreational habits, then it is the business of the employer......working in a stockroom away from the general public still has safety issues. The general public are not the only ones who can be affected by someones inability to spot risks.
An employer has to make sure that all his workers are safe....and if the person who s still hungover from Alcohol/spliffs causes an accident because they are incapacitated from their habit.....then it is of concern to the employer.
If you like to partake of recreational drugs, then you have a responsibility to make sure that they are out of your system before you are due back at work.
Or is this just another thread where you stir the pot?
Pose a question, but if you do not like the answers you fudge the issues.
If I were still of working age(which thankfully, I am not)......I would have absolutely no qualms about my employer testing me for alcohol or drugs.
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06-10-2014, 19:16
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
and you call it a 'Cheeky joint' to make it lighthearted...to minimise the seriousness of such issues.
It smacks of irresponsibility....of hedonism...doing what you want, when you want and damn the consequences....because you do not accept that the consequences are very important.
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It will be destroyed by those who stand by and do Nothing.
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06-10-2014, 20:06
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
You just do not get it do you?
Or is this just another thread where you stir the pot?
Pose a question, but if you do not like the answers you fudge the issues.
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I get it M, and the answer to your other question is probably and I do like all the replies (even Less's)
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06-10-2014, 20:08
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Re: It's not a problem or is it?
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Why do supermarkets only open 5 days now?
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