Making sculptures to go on the Coppice

[MargaretR]

More likely to have originated from -

kopje - definition of kopje by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
kopje koppie
noun (S. African) hill, down (archaic), fell, mount, height, mound, prominence, elevation, eminence, hilltop, tor, knoll, hillock, brae (Scot.) the rocky kopjes, small hills rising like islands

[davemac]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

More likely to have originated from -

kopje - definition of kopje by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
kopje koppie
noun (S. African) hill, down (archaic), fell, mount, height, mound, prominence, elevation, eminence, hilltop, tor, knoll, hillock, brae (Scot.) the rocky kopjes, small hills rising like islands

Not convinced, but will keep an open mind.

[Sonnart]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Look at these for good ideas - they are beautiful
Banksy-like artist leaves intricate carvings in market town's trees | Mail Online

They are amazing I wish I could do that!

I wonder how they managed to make it without people hearing the sound of the whatever they used to cut it?? :S ?? I like that the maker/makers are anonymous aswell.

I've always understood the Coppice had trees planted to stop a landslide. My dad has a few pictures somewhere of what it looked like before trees were planted there.
He says he prefers it without trees and could run up to the top and back to his house again with my grandma looking out the back window on Burnley road and she could see him go all the way up because there were no trees at all then. This is going back 40< years.

I wish the Coppice was entirely unspoilt, but whenever I go up and walk around the back to the reservoirs they always have rubbish/litter everywhere around the edge. It would be good if someone, even community police officers could walk about it every now and again to guard it.

There is the Venus and Cupid sculpture in Morecambe that is said to be in memory of those lost at sea, including the cockle pickers:

Bay Views: Venus and Cupid, Morecambe Promenade

I personally think it would have been better suited to where it was originally supposed to be placed (St Georges Quay Lancaster), as I think that having it as a tribute, when it was not originally designed to be a tribute is stretching it a bit........ throwing in a reason after it was made, rather than being made for that reason.

Useful definition of Kopje, thanks

Sonnart

[cashman]

Yer dads right sonnart, The coppice without trees was our cross country practice run, straight up from the Avenue Parade n Straight up No path involved,was knackering, but it made me a good un.

[susie123]

Originally Posted by Sonnart

There is the Venus and Cupid sculpture in Morecambe that is said to be in memory of those lost at sea, including the cockle pickers:

Bay Views: Venus and Cupid, Morecambe Promenade

I personally think it would have been better suited to where it was originally supposed to be placed (St Georges Quay Lancaster), as I think that having it as a tribute, when it was not originally designed to be a tribute is stretching it a bit........ throwing in a reason after it was made, rather than being made for that reason.

Useful definition of Kopje, thanks

Sonnart

The statue is not really for the cocklers as far as I know, that's the first I've heard of it. There is a memorial garden to them on the prom in the centre of town.

However the statue nearly disappeared recently:
BBC News - Venus and Cupid fund may lead to Morecambe arts trust

[susie123]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

More likely to have originated from -

kopje - definition of kopje by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
kopje koppie
noun (S. African) hill, down (archaic), fell, mount, height, mound, prominence, elevation, eminence, hilltop, tor, knoll, hillock, brae (Scot.) the rocky kopjes, small hills rising like islands

Margaret I'm with you on this... Chambers has kop, S. Afr, a hill generally round topped, from Dutch for head, and coppice or copse from the Old French for newly cut wood.

Since the name is not on any maps does anyone know how long people have been calling it the Coppice?

[garinda]

According to this, there are photographs from 1848, showing the Coppice being coppiced with trees.

Roy's information site on Huncoat, History, Walking and Weather etc.

Though apparently it was more or less bereft of trees by 1909.

Can't see there being a Dutch connection, if as it seems, it was referrred to locally as the Coppice, prior to the Boer War.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

According to this, there are photographs from 1848, showing the Coppice being coppiced with trees.

Roy's information site on Huncoat, History, Walking and Weather etc.

Though apparently it was more or less bereft of trees by 1909.

Can't see there being a Dutch connection, if as it seems, it was referrred to locally as the Coppice, prior to the Boer War.

The old French word copeiz, is apparently derived from the Latin word colpacticum, meaning 'having been cut'.

As much of this area had already been deforested for farming before the Roman Invasion, Susie's suggestion that the hill might have been managed and coppiced to help prevent further soil erosion, makes sense to me.

[mobertol]

(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Forestry) a thicket or dense growth of small trees or bushes, esp one regularly trimmed back to stumps so that a continual supply of small poles and firewood is obtained

Look to the English meaning of the word too!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Yer dads right sonnart, The coppice without trees was our cross country practice run, straight up from the Avenue Parade n Straight up No path involved,was knackering, but it made me a good un.

Watching cashy run up the copice, ya I'd pay good money to have seen that

[susie123]

Originally Posted by davemac

Not sure I agree that the addition of trees spoils the coppice. It was done initially to stabilize the coppice as the top soil was sliding off the shale base on the face. It both stabilized the coppice and prevented further erosion
The majority of trees planted were larch,and silver birch.

It was said that before man deforested the country a squirrel could climb a tree at lands end and not have to climb to the ground until he reached john o'groats, should we not support replanting of trees where possible. So it depends how far back in time you are prepared to go as to what is called the "norm"

Incidentally the term coppice applies to a managed group of trees grown to support industry, don't know if it applies here but food for thought.

Originally Posted by garinda

The old French word copeiz, is apparently derived from the Latin word colpacticum, meaning 'having been cut'.

As much of this area had already been deforested for farming before the Roman Invasion, Susie's suggestion that the hill might have been managed and coppiced to help prevent further soil erosion, makes sense to me.

Gary It wasn't me who suggested that, it was Dave... see above quote.

Originally Posted by susie123

Margaret I'm with you on this... Chambers has kop, S. Afr, a hill generally round topped, from Dutch for head, and coppice or copse from the Old French for newly cut wood.

Originally Posted by mobertol

(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Forestry) a thicket or dense growth of small trees or bushes, esp one regularly trimmed back to stumps so that a continual supply of small poles and firewood is obtained

Look to the English meaning of the word too!

Dianne the derivation and meaning of the English word is what I was referring to in my post quoted above.

I can probably tell you more about the management of a coppice than you really need to know. When we lived in Wiltshire we were in a farm cottage on the edge of a field, all of which was surrounded by one of the last remaining areas of hazel coppice still managed in the traditional way for forestry products. These included spars for thatching (holding down the thatch on a roof) and longer poles and spars for making wattle fencing. Managed on a 7 year rotation if I remember rightly.

Our village pub had a name unique in this country, the Hook and Glove, being named after the traditional implements used by coppicers - the hook being used to cut down the wood, and the leather glove for protection.

If you want to know more... interesting website, especially the section on threats to coppices.

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