planning permission - Page 2

jackyalex · 04-10-2006, 13:22

i was told that i can put up a hedge but i cant put the fence up behind it in out garden she said because the hedge will be classed as a boundary and that the fence will still be classed as a boundary,i know im going to have to put in for plan perm but its the paperwork thats confusing and the plans that i need to get drawn up i only had 28 days i dont even know where im suppose to start,ive asked the council to give me some idea about where i can get plans drawn up and help with filling out the paperwork but they said they cant help me,and the h/a said that they arnt getting involved,so does anyone know who draws plans,or can i do it myself

WillowTheWhisp · 04-10-2006, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

Technically if theres already a wall, the wall is the boundry and therefore your fence is an internal fence.

But just because somethng is inside your boundary it doesn't mean you have the auotmatic right to build what you like there, even a wall. I know that may not seem logical but think about kitchen extensions. Our neighbours wanted to extend their kitchen within their own perimiter boundaries but the council sent us a leaflet to ask if we had objections as the outer wall could be seen from our property over the top of the existing boundary wall. They own their house and we own ours but they still had to get planning permission from the council and if we had objected to seeing it over the wall we could have complained and stopped it being built.

entwisi · 04-10-2006, 14:30

Jackyalex, PM me with your number as I can certainly tell you who did our plans etc.

Ours was quite involved as we were changing teh drive, putting in a conservatory and some other work as well. IIRC it cost £400 for teh plans plus 135 for teh council application

Madhatter · 04-10-2006, 15:18

No but you have a right to put a fence up thats 2 metres high on any boundary and anywhere inside your garden that doesn't form a boundary with a public highway. Saying that the wall will be a boundary, the hedge will be a boundary and a fence inside the hedge a boundary is idiotic and not true, you can not have more than one boundary, the boundary is the line at the edge of a property. Grow the hedge and then put the fence up, nobody will even know it's there.

My ex inlaws have had a massive conservatory built and they didn't need planning permission. I'm not convinced on that one, as I thought a conservatory was classed as an extension.

An extension needs permision willow, but I doubt you'd have stopped it, loss of view is a reason to stop it, design is, but just because you can see it is not. I've objected to a three story house being built opposite these three story flats, they'll be able to see right in, Ithey still got permision. Dread to think what they'll make of the bloke upstairs watching his porn films or me wlaking round half naked.

Madhatter · 04-10-2006, 15:55

Just been down and enquired, a hedge is not a boundary, it's a boundary treatment. it's not a aboundary fence that can't be over 1 metre, it's a fence next to a highway, so the end of a dividing fence could be covered by this, say the bottom of two back gardens both end with a road going across them, the bottom fence and the last two metres of dividing fence can't be over a metre high.

On the plus side, it's four years here so may be dour there. If it's been up four years and that sounds likely you don't need permision. You'd have to prove it with witnesses and preferably photographs, but Maybe witnesses will be enough.
The planning department will have had to have recieved a complaint to do this so don't think they are against you. I'd confirm the time in yrs first 4 5 or 7, then check with neighbours see if you can get anyone to write to say it was there, height and roughly how long in years it's been there. also contact the people who put up the new fence, they will confirm that there was an old fence.

WillowTheWhisp · 04-10-2006, 16:00

Don't the regulations vary from council to council?

Neil · 04-10-2006, 18:43

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Don't the regulations vary from council to council?

Yes .

jackyalex · 04-10-2006, 19:55

thanks entwisi for the offer but ive just found out on the net that at newcastle uni they have students that help out and they have a charity to help with costs of plan perm they pay for some or most of the plan perm if you earn under £400 pw,they also do the plans for you so im gonna give them a try to see if they can help,im gonna phone them tommorrow and see what they say,i appreciate the offer though jacky

Madhatter · 04-10-2006, 20:32

yes they do willow which is why I said check, you'll find that the basics are the same all over though, i've got the gov books here, the main differences are conservation areas and planning conditions/covenants.
I know a fair bit because I've commented on several planning applications in the past,also used to go to council meetings, and i'm interested in things related to planning.