Should the TV License be scrapped? - Page 4

Studio25 · 11-09-2015, 19:50

Yep - having one less Guinness on a Wednesday saves way more than that.

But at least I'm getting value for money from my Guinness...

gpick24 · 11-09-2015, 22:59

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But at least I'm getting value for money from my Guinness...

Ooeer missus, something we should know about you two?

Studio25 · 13-09-2015, 01:55

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Ooeer missus, something we should know about you two?

Took me a minute (and a half-typed reply) to realise what you were getting at...

RainbowSix · 14-09-2015, 15:29

As previously said - the license is required only when watching TV at the same time as it is broadcast.
So if it's streamed AND the stream is delayed then a license is not required, there is no definition of the requirement for how long a delay.

The only way the TVLI (who are a private company and not a government body - hence have no legal rights to enter you property) get you is if your stupid enough to let them in or sign their documentation - or allow your TV to be watched while you are watching broadcast tv without a license - we see enough of these people in the paper every week that are up before the bench.

I have a license, I now have a firestick that has enough TV to keep me going for a very long time without the need to watch UK broadcast TV so I may well not renew my license when it next comes up.

I can't afford Guiness, perhaps if I didn't have such high tv license & Vm bills I may be able to

Studio25 · 16-09-2015, 09:42

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So if it's streamed AND the stream is delayed then a license is not required, there is no definition of the requirement for how long a delay.

What's your source for that? Every other method of timeshifting a broadcast, such as pausing live TV or VCR recording a broadcast to watch later, requires a licence. If watching a live stream of a terrestrial broadcast needs a licence (and it does), then watching a time shift of that live stream also needs a licence.

Michael1954 · 16-09-2015, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Studio25

What's your source for that? Every other method of timeshifting a broadcast, such as pausing live TV or VCR recording a broadcast to watch later, requires a licence. If watching a live stream of a terrestrial broadcast needs a licence (and it does), then watching a time shift of that live stream also needs a licence.

I'm a bit confused. See post 39 about streaming.

RainbowSix · 16-09-2015, 12:36

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What's your source for that? Every other method of timeshifting a broadcast, such as pausing live TV or VCR recording a broadcast to watch later, requires a licence. If watching a live stream of a terrestrial broadcast needs a licence (and it does), then watching a time shift of that live stream also needs a licence.

My source is the law (ISTR communications act 2003), not the TVLI.

The license is required to watch broadcast tv at the time it is broadcast, if you use a VCR to record it you also need the license as you are receiving it at the time it is broadcast.

However if you stream it from another site that is not showing it at the same time that it is broadcast then the license is not required.
I'm not talking about a couple of seconds delay, a couple of minutes streamed TV is outside of the license requirements.

Whatever the TVLI website says is often misleading and designed to fool you into buying a license when you do not need one.

accyman · 16-09-2015, 15:43

i think bbc america has adverts because they cant enforce a tv licence there

this probably wont be believed but i once posted in the adult section a clip of a movie broadcast on a european bbc broadcast but it was lost when the site got upgraded a few years back

the screen shot was from a hardcore bondage porn movie and had the then BBC logo in the top corner

seems to me that the BBC are everywhere but were the only ones subject to a tv licence

some may object that other countries are getting free hardcore porn and we dont lol... and the porn stars were of legal age so bravo to the bbc eh

Boeing Guy · 16-09-2015, 18:28

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Originally Posted by RainbowSix

My source is the law (ISTR communications act 2003), not the TVLI.

The license is required to watch broadcast tv at the time it is broadcast, if you use a VCR to record it you also need the license as you are receiving it at the time it is broadcast.

However if you stream it from another site that is not showing it at the same time that it is broadcast then the license is not required.
I'm not talking about a couple of seconds delay, a couple of minutes streamed TV is outside of the license requirements.

Whatever the TVLI website says is often misleading and designed to fool you into buying a license when you do not need one.

Any chance you could post the section of Communications Act with the appropriate section. I could not find it myself.

Cheers

Accyexplorer · 16-09-2015, 19:45

Your not safe from these leeches even when your dead according to this article:-
Portsmouth murder victim fined £200 for not having TV licence - four months after her death - Portsmouth News

She must have signed the 178 'grass yourself up form' before she was murdered.

It's well known that they prey on the vulnerable,the elderly and women seem to be their favourites.

accyman · 16-09-2015, 20:41

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Your not safe from these leeches even when your dead according to this article:-
Portsmouth murder victim fined £200 for not having TV licence - four months after her death - Portsmouth News

She must have signed the 178 'grass yourself up form' before she was murdered.

It's well known that they prey on the vulnerable,the elderly and women seem to be their favourites.

someone i knew a single mum at the time had just moved in to her house with a new born baby.There was a knock at the door and she answered it to a pleasant enough bloke who politely asked if she would take a quick survey.Been polite she said yes but it would have to be quick as she was trying to unpack and sort out a baby

here are the questions or as close as i can remember as it was quite a while ago

MAN - what brand washing powder do you use

WOMAN - daz

MAN - how much do you spend on food shopping each week

WOMAN - around £30

MAN - whats your favourite TV show

WOMAN - coronation street

MAN - do you own a TV

WOMAN - yes

MAN - im from the bbc licensing and our records say you dont have a tv license

could argue she should have got one before moving into the house or that damn unlucky to get a knock day 1 of moving in but thats the sort of underhand tricks they employ

Accyexplorer · 16-09-2015, 22:59

I have no doubt how cunning they can be,it takes a certain kind of folk to seek out and create misery on the venerable.
I hear there are no such thing as a tv detector van,they are just myth, and these TVL rats rely mainly on folk grassing themselves up

RainbowSix · 17-09-2015, 11:25

BG what section do you want?

Perhaps you can post the bit on the law that says you need a license to watch streamed services at times when they are not also being broadcast?

If you look around the web there are a great many sites that explain to you the actual legal standpoint, which is contrary to what TVLI try to make you think it is.

Boeing Guy · 17-09-2015, 13:09

I asked first!
Seriously though, I would be very careful believing what you read on the internet regarding TV Licence and Streaming. The Communications Act 2003, was pre Streaming, I am sure it will be amended soon, just because it does not say Stream as opposed to TV this has yet to be proven in court.

accyman · 17-09-2015, 14:44

someone said to me they can check your internet history to see if you have watched a live stream on iplayer

i havnt really looked into that claim as it dosnt apply to me personally but i think the term when hell freezes over applies to anyone who thinks they can look into my computer without a court order

i think the bbc like to say they have a lot more power than what they actually have