When is the 2nd Coming - Coming?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I can only assume that gents who prefer virgins are the ones whose technique is so abysmal that they do not want to be compared unfavourably with others who 'came' (sorry - pun ) before them.

There is a trend amongst younger men to prefer older women (cougars) who can teach them the ropes.

Ah but i didn't say i prefer em, but i do like the novelty which around here it certainly is.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Ah but i didn't say i prefer em, but i do like the novelty which around here it certainly is.

[westendlass]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Was just a bit of gentle fun...but since you opened the can..

Wogan (who himself is a lightweight 'luvvie' interviewer and really should be taken with a pinch of salt), apologised for publicly taking the mick, not for disbelieving him.

Hitler filled halls and stadia, so did Take That, the Spice Girls and Justin Bieber are you seriously trying to argue that because someone can fill a stadium it means they have something worthwhile to say?
He's charismatic and knows how to work an audience..this does not mean that he has anything worthwhile to say, it just means that he knows how to get applause and the occasional cheer...then again so can an average comedian at a dingy working mens club on a saturday night.

Who am I to say....I'm a free thinker who uses logic and rationality, as opposed to the muppets and sheep who blindly hang on to his every word...which is kinda ironic since he himself claims anyone who doesn't agree with him are sheep following the populist ideals.

Weii, After watching the Wigan clip of David Icke I think I'm now a Belieber !!

[westendlass]

Sorry, slip of the hand, should be Wogan. Damned predictive text again.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

There is a trend amongst younger men to prefer older women (cougars) who can teach them the ropes.

Think you'll find that it's more a case of gullibility than rope handling, knowing their looks are fading some older women will buy the BS spouted by some young lothario if only to feel needed & wanted, were as to our mattress matador it's just another one to boast about in the Pub.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by cashman

Wish someone could explain to me,what or how can yeh have a "Virgin Birth"?

I don't think anyone can explain it to you , Cashman .

By demonstration I can explain to you how a creature from the sea and vegetables out of the earth can become a plate of fish and chips with mushy peas .

It will take some time and patience for someone to explain to me how by the click of a button this post within an instant is going to be able to be read throughout most of the world . My technology skills and scientific knowledge are so poor that it will take a very patient and skillful teacher to explain it to me , but I think that it can be done .

As for the Virgin Birth of Jesus , we are in a totally different realm which is outside of our normal contexts of space and time . And there is so much that has to be presupposed before a start can be made in explaining it , and the explanation will be in a language more akin to poetry than prose . Jesus said : " I am the truth . " If that basic presupposition is not accepted , then any explanation is not going to be possible .

In the words of C.S. Lewis : " A man who said the sort of things Jesus said , well this man is the Son of God , or else a madman , or something worse . You must make your choice . "

So it comes down to one's own convictions , and many within Christianity accept much of what they see as the truth of Jesus , but they will argue about things such as the Virgin Birth , certain miracles etc. So it can be complicated or for some quite simple . I envy the latter . I am one who has to question everything , who believes an element of agnosticism is no bad thing , and it can be a struggle . But in the end I keep coming back to certain convictions and make the choice to believe . That's when the real battle begins because I have then to live by the challenges my beliefs put before me , or be a hypocrite .

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by jaysay

What makes me smile more than anything is this thing that Muslim martyrs believe, that killing themselves in the name of Allah, the reward is 72 virgins and Rivers of honey, that should tell any would be candidates its a bit of a misnomer especially the 72 virgins bit

How did these so called virgins manage to stay virgins long enough to get to the place where these martyrs are gonna end up. I think some bodies telling porkies, and these martyrs are too gullible to rationalise whats being told them.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by JCB

I don't think anyone can explain it to you , Cashman .

By demonstration I can explain to you how a creature from the sea and vegetables out of the earth can become a plate of fish and chips with mushy peas .

It will take some time and patience for someone to explain to me how by the click of a button this post within an instant is going to be able to be read throughout most of the world . My technology skills and scientific knowledge are so poor that it will take a very patient and skillful teacher to explain it to me , but I think that it can be done .

As for the Virgin Birth of Jesus , we are in a totally different realm which is outside of our normal contexts of space and time . And there is so much that has to be presupposed before a start can be made in explaining it , and the explanation will be in a language more akin to poetry than prose . Jesus said : " I am the truth . " If that basic presupposition is not accepted , then any explanation is not going to be possible .

In the words of C.S. Lewis : " A man who said the sort of things Jesus said , well this man is the Son of God , or else a madman , or something worse . You must make your choice . "

So it comes down to one's own convictions , and many within Christianity accept much of what they see as the truth of Jesus , but they will argue about things such as the Virgin Birth , certain miracles etc. So it can be complicated or for some quite simple . I envy the latter . I am one who has to question everything , who believes an element of agnosticism is no bad thing , and it can be a struggle . But in the end I keep coming back to certain convictions and make the choice to believe . That's when the real battle begins because I have then to live by the challenges my beliefs put before me , or be a hypocrite .

I just don't believe it! Why bother having a birth at all? If god sent down his only "son" then why bother coming through a womans body? Why not just manifest with out that hassle of sitting in a womb for 9 months or what ever length of time he was supposed to be in it for?

You can try and explain this from a scientific point of view if you can seriously believe this or just accept the concept is ridiculous.

It is easy to explain how fish and chips got to be fish and chips - as it is to explain the "so-called" virgin birth.

Fact is when Millions of people believe in a load of fantasy then you get these people blowing themselves up and doing nasty things to others in the name of their "illusionary" gods.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by JCB

I don't think anyone can explain it to you , Cashman .


So it comes down to one's own convictions , and many within Christianity accept much of what they see as the truth of Jesus , but they will argue about things such as the Virgin Birth , certain miracles etc. So it can be complicated or for some quite simple . I envy the latter . I am one who has to question everything , who believes an element of agnosticism is no bad thing , and it can be a struggle . But in the end I keep coming back to certain convictions and make the choice to believe . That's when the real battle begins because I have then to live by the challenges my beliefs put before me , or be a hypocrite .

Virtually all religions hold some supernatural beliefs specific to that religion. That is, a religions adherents firmly hold beliefs that conflict with and cannot be confirmed by our experience of the natural world, and that appear implausible to people other than those adherents to that particular religion. No other feature of religion creates a bigger divide between modern secular peoples and believers.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

I just don't believe it! Why bother having a birth at all? If god sent down his only "son" then why bother coming through a womans body? Why not just manifest with out that hassle of sitting in a womb for 9 months or what ever length of time he was supposed to be in it for?

You can try and explain this from a scientific point of view if you can seriously believe this or just accept the concept is ridiculous.

It is easy to explain how fish and chips got to be fish and chips - as it is to explain the "so-called" virgin birth.

Fact is when Millions of people believe in a load of fantasy then you get these people blowing themselves up and doing nasty things to others in the name of their "illusionary" gods.

One word......Faith.......believing the unbelievable(which, those who have no faith, will refer to as fantasy).
Man is arrogant to think he can explain away everything by scientific methods.......faith defies science.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by westendlass

Wii, After watching the Wigan clip of David Icke I think I'm now a Belieber !!

You mean you've wasted 9 minutes of your precious life watching that whack job, thought you'd more oil in your lamp that that WEL

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

How did these so called virgins manage to stay virgins long enough to get to the place where these martyrs are gonna end up. I think some bodies telling porkies, and these martyrs are too gullible to rationalise whats being told them.

Well its those good God fearing Muslim men who groom young white girls to save the hoards of virgins for the hereafter what does it Walter

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

One word......Faith.......believing the unbelievable(which, those who have no faith, will refer to as fantasy).
Man is arrogant to think he can explain away everything by scientific methods.......faith defies science.

Well your namesake will have the answer Margaret and a link to go with it no doubt

[accyman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

What makes me smile more than anything is this thing that Muslim martyrs believe, that killing themselves in the name of Allah, the reward is 72 virgins and Rivers of honey, that should tell any would be candidates its a bit of a misnomer especially the 72 virgins bit

its a mistranslation it turns out they get 72 virginians

most likely get beat up in their after life for been murdering bastards

[susie123]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

I just don't believe it! Why bother having a birth at all? If god sent down his only "son" then why bother coming through a womans body? Why not just manifest with out that hassle of sitting in a womb for 9 months or what ever length of time he was supposed to be in it for?

To give us the pleasure of spendijg loadsa money once a year on useess tat and masses of food to celebrate his birthday then we can all be in debt for the rest of the year before we start again. See, God invented the credit crunch to keep him self amused.