Cronshaw/Dean - Page 2

cashman · 14-12-2007, 17:29

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Originally Posted by Sue1

Have now had a good look at the map with my husband - what a mass of housing round the Mills. We couldn't see Plantation Mill anywhere and I was surprised to see the little square of Plantation Mill cottages looked so small because my family lived at 188 and 189 and I am sure there aren't that many houses there. Looking left at the map and going down Plantation Road you come to Abbey Street and turning left into Abbey Street, further down on the left is a church set back beside a pub which I assume is the Swan pub (or used to be) and the Church is the New Jersalem which was.

Whilst looking at this my husband mentioned Accrington Stanley which he thought, off the top of his head, had gone backrupt in the 50's and had now very recently, got back into the league ............ he likes football!

Sue

was 1962 actually sue, if yer hubby likes football, tell him to have a browse at the Accrington Stanley section of the forum, it may be of interest to him.

cmonstanley · 14-12-2007, 19:10

knew a cronshaw who worked at simon jersey about six years ago cant remember his first name will be in his late sixties now as he was retiring then i think he was married to someone called joan and had a son..cant remember where they lived....somewhere near where rist wires used to be..

Sue1 · 17-12-2007, 13:46

Bryan, I had delayed applying for Christopher Cronshaw's marriage certificate because on Friday a bombshell dropped from ancestry.co - a Tony Cronshaw replied to my message that had been on the message board of that website say:"from what you have said in your message, I can tell you that we are definitely related albeit distantly. I would need to look up the exact position in my records but from memory I can tell you that the Cronshaws of Plantation Mill had a very interesting line. One was a Canon of St. Paul's Cathedral, London, another a senior officer in the British Army and a third was an Oxford Don". I have to say I thought it was a wind-up and I still think it is a mistake (how could the braincells have been so completely diluted!) and I can't imagine those particular Cronshaws had much chance of a good education or the kind that would have been required to attain these dizzy heights. I sent him the details I had and he came back with the fact that Christopher Cronshaw is the son of John and Ann Cronshaw and the brother of Jonathan Cronshaw. The answer will of course be on the marriage certificate which I will now definitely apply for today. He also said that on the 1851 census Christopher and Jonathan are shown to be children of John and Ann but he has John's dob as 24.2.1798. I don't know where his info is from on that. I am completely bewildered. Sue (I think)

Atarah · 17-12-2007, 23:14

Hi Sue, I see you mentioned earlier that you have an old photo, dated around 1905, showing the cottages. I would LOVE to see that photo. do you know how to include a photo, that would be great.

Atarah

Atarah · 17-12-2007, 23:28

Hi Sue, here is a photo showing the area of Plantation Mill, where your family probably worked.

Atarah

Retlaw · 18-12-2007, 00:37

Joseph Cronshaw Dean
Enlisted 19-01-1918.
Boy Air Mechanic
Age 17.5
Height 5'-7"
Chest 36"

John Robinson Dean
Stoker K36382 H.M.S. Berwick
Enlisted 4-7-1916
Height 5'-4"
Chest 37"
Lived at 37 Frederick St Accrington.

ossy kid · 18-12-2007, 00:52

HI Sue, isn,t it great to get info from all sorts of places. I said that John was born in 1797 but that came from his grave stone so it could have said "in his 68th year" which would have made his birth year 1798. The reason I wasn,t sure whether Christopher and Jonathan were brothers was the 22 year difference in their ages but if you have the 1851 census showing them as brothers! "What can,t speak, cant lie" I see Retlaw has some info on Joseph Cronshaw Dean, there,s another bonus for you. You,ve done very well in the last month, happy to be of some assistance. Let me know what you find on the marriage certificate. Bryan.

ossy kid · 18-12-2007, 05:09

A little more info Sue, Christophers children- Mary Jane married James Edward Taylor in 1896; John Sanderson married Mary Ellen Whitehead 1900; Isabella married George Albert Duckworth 1904. Alice Mabel, Josephs daughter, born 1888 married William Dean 1922. Bryan.

Sue1 · 18-12-2007, 12:26

Hi Atarah,

I am sorry - on checking the photo I got the date wrong - it was 1943 and it was in fact the photo you sent me right at the beginning of this amazing search. I had, in fact, no information at all about this side of the family, other than what I put in my first post/thread. I am getting so confused now with all the info I don't really know what I am doing any more! I AM NOT COMPLAINING - my sister and I are absolutely delighted.

Sue1 · 18-12-2007, 12:31

Hi Atarah, Many thanks for this photograph - another one for the album. This looks beautifully rural but I imagine it was in the middle of Accrington because the cottages where the family lived were and they must have been near the Mill.

Sue

Sue1 · 18-12-2007, 12:46

Dear Retlaw, Many thanks for that, much appreciated. I knew JCD was in the Air Force in WWII but this is obviously WWI. I don't know who Joseph Robinson Cronshaw is - perhaps another relative - there seem to be a lot appearing! I knew JCD jointed in WWI and served at RAF Manby, Lincolnshire - I was born during the War and my birth cert says he was a Corporal, Transport Driver. I applied to the Air Force for service records but they were reluctant and eventually let me have the WWII bit with his wife's name erased!!!!! When I went to the National Archives in Kew to look up the other side of the family my husband sneaked off and produced the undoctored WWII record from the archives - this is how we found out his wife (not our mother I am afraid) was called Mary Davies - he married her in 1921 and they apparently had a son in 1922. It is difficult to read the writing beside her name on these records but it seems to suggest , first, that the RAF checked his marriage certificate - I think he probably got an extra allowance for being married and 2) the marriaged appeared to have taken place is what looks like "Haslingden" but cannot be sure of that. I think he omitted to tell them that he was no longer with his wife! Many thanks again.

Sue 1

Sue1 · 18-12-2007, 13:18

Dear Bryan, Many thanks for this additional info - I can't believe how many names I now have - I have already put a family tree on Genes Re-united - mostly the Foster side (maternal) but am adding the Cronshaws as I go along - and now I have even more. My sister, believe it or not, in a fit of desperation is doing research at Brighton (Woodvale) Crematorium where our father was cremated - I have his death certificate and it doesn't appear to be a member of the family who arranged for the cremation. I am not sure what she will find there, or hope to find but who knows - I just hope she doesn't sneeze among the ashes! Tony Cronshaw who contactmed me via Ancestry.co tells me that John Cronshaw was married to Ann Saunderson (I note that name was repeated twice as Christian names for children) and their children were Joseph b 1822, Jonathan b 1824, Mary Ann b 1925 (died in infancy) William b 1826, Susan b 1828, Caroline b 1830/Isabella b 1830 (twins who died in infancy), John Saunderson b 1833 - d 1894, Isabella b 1835, (presumably named in memory of one of the twins who died in infancy), James b 1840, Christopher b 1845. He explained what the New Jerusalem was - I think Susan Ann Cronshaw (our grandmother) must have strayed because she married Joseph Dean at St. James!

Do you think I should still apply for Christopher's marriage cert after all of this?

I was particularly pleased to hear about the Dean marriages - if only you could find Martha.!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said to Retlaw I think she married JCD in 1921 but I have been into Lancashire BMDs and could find no marriage between those two (she was Davies), however, I believe the complete list is not yet on line. They had a son Joseph J (my sister got this from somewhere) in 1922. As you are probably beginning to realise, the story gets rather "tacky" when it gets to us sadly.

You are right about how well we have done and can't thank people enough and to think we only started the family search in May this year when I got my hands on the internet (which in itself was a bit of a learning curve and still is). My sister has actually been searching for years but I didn't know that - she actually "found" me 20 years ago!

Thank you so much for all you have given me - I do hope your spade isn't completely ruined!

ossy kid · 18-12-2007, 20:57

Hi Sue, Haslingden is the registration district which Accrington belongs to.

Sue1 · 19-12-2007, 11:36

Hi Ossy, Many thanks for the Haslingden bit - I wondered why I had vaguely heard of it before - it is actually on my father's Birth Certificate I think (my sister has it) - Accrington is not, which is why I hadn't realised Accrington was the area we should be looking for a long time. What an amazing journey this has been - I am wondering how many live relatives will appear - I am not used to having relatives!!!!!!!! The reason I was born in Lincolnshire (Louth) is because of the War and because he was in the RAF at Manby.

Best wishes, Sue

Sue1 · 17-01-2008, 17:47

Dear Ossie, The story continues and what a story - when it is finished I will send you the end result. However, this one may be right up your street - on 22.12.1873 William Henry Cronshaw was born (don't know if he was a relative but must be connected surely) and he played football for Accrington Stanley. He played inside right in the very first matches and acted as Secretary to the Club - he was a member of the first Committee around 1894. Does any of this ring a bell. He also played for Stanley Villa.

Sue