Family History/Accrington/Pitt St area

[kflannigan]

Hi!

I'm doing some family history research in the area going back to the late 1800's early 1900's. I'm actually from Canada so I don't know the area at all and was hoping someone could help. I have a couple questions!! The first question is regarding the Cricketers Arms. My 3x great grandparents (Susannah and Robert Ingham) seem to be living at 29 Pitt St (Cricketers Arms) from the 1880's to early 1900's as beersellers. Now I don't know whether the owned the pub or rented/leased. Would she likely be a landlady? (...the only knowledge I have of pub's comes from watching Coronation Street!!! lol!). Also is this pub still there or can anyone remember it being there? My other question has to do with the cotton industry in the area. Other members of the family were employed as cotton weavers and lived on Pitt St. as well at the time. It seems to me that there were probably many cotton factories around at the time. From research I've done on the industry itself I believe that it was common for factories to provide housing to their employees near the factories. Would anyone know whether the Pitt St area was part of houses owned by a local factory. If so what cotton factory would have owned housing in the area or what were the local cotton factories in the area at the turn of the century? I don't know if anyone can help me with this or not but it's worth a shot! Thanks!

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by kflannigan

Hi!

I'm doing some family history research in the area going back to the late 1800's early 1900's. I'm actually from Canada so I don't know the area at all and was hoping someone could help. I have a couple questions!! The first question is regarding the Cricketers Arms. My 3x great grandparents (Susannah and Robert Ingham) seem to be living at 29 Pitt St (Cricketers Arms) from the 1880's to early 1900's as beersellers. Now I don't know whether the owned the pub or rented/leased. Would she likely be a landlady? (...the only knowledge I have of pub's comes from watching Coronation Street!!! lol!). Also is this pub still there or can anyone remember it being there? My other question has to do with the cotton industry in the area. Other members of the family were employed as cotton weavers and lived on Pitt St. as well at the time. It seems to me that there were probably many cotton factories around at the time. From research I've done on the industry itself I believe that it was common for factories to provide housing to their employees near the factories. Would anyone know whether the Pitt St area was part of houses owned by a local factory. If so what cotton factory would have owned housing in the area or what were the local cotton factories in the area at the turn of the century? I don't know if anyone can help me with this or not but it's worth a shot! Thanks!

Pitt St has long gone since they built Eastgate a so called bypass to the town. Pitt St was originally called John St, as for the Cricketers Arms, in my files it was at 4 Pitt St back in the mid 1800's, some times they weren't proper pubs as such, just a couple of houses joined together, in some ale houses it was just the front room of a house, with barrels on a trestle.
There were so many cotton mills around Acc that it would be difficult to say which one they worked at.
Can't find them living in Pitts St in the 1914 Burgess Rolls.

[Turtle]

I took a look on the Find My Past website for the address you mentioned. In 1891 there is a Susannah Ingham, head of household, widow, Beerseller at the Cricketer's Arms. She has a servant and her 10 year old granddaughter living with her. In 1901, it's still listed as the Cricketer's Arms. In 1911 however, a new family lives there, and while the head of the household's occupation is 'Beerseller' there's no mention of it being the Cricketer's Arms. It is an 8 room 'house', so maybe they just didn't mention it on the Census form.

I googled old pubs of Accrington, and found the Lost Pubs Project website. It names a Cricketer's Arms on Melbourne St., closing in 1966. I don't know if this is the same pub, moved to a different address, or a totally different business.


About the cotton mill supplying housing for the workers: I've never heard of it, but maybe some other members on Accy Web can help with that.


Good luck with your search for info! I'm in Canada too, by the way, and rely totally on the Internet for my genealogy research.

[cashman]

Pitt St was actually a continuation of Melbourne St as i recollect.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by cashman

Pitt St was actually a continuation of Melbourne St as i recollect.

I don't think Melbourne St existed back in them days Cashy.

[kflannigan]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Pitt St has long gone since they built Eastgate a so called bypass to the town. Pitt St was originally called John St, as for the Cricketers Arms, in my files it was at 4 Pitt St back in the mid 1800's, some times they weren't proper pubs as such, just a couple of houses joined together, in some ale houses it was just the front room of a house, with barrels on a trestle.
There were so many cotton mills around Acc that it would be difficult to say which one they worked at.
Can't find them living in Pitts St in the 1914 Burgess Rolls.

Thank you for the information! I don't know what it's like in England but here street names and house numbers tend to change over time so I wonder if it was the same pub as 4 Pitt St. I have it listed at 29 Pitt St in the 1881/1891 census but the family was living at 5 Pitt St in 1861. (1871 they were at Stanley St) and he (Robert) seemed to be a laborer ...sounded like some kind of metal or blacksmith work... then all the sudden he's a beerseller. Maybe he took over the business and moved it down the road or something. Do you know when the street name changed from John St?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

I don't think Melbourne St existed back in them days Cashy.

It existed when i was a little lad, lived just around the corner, before then have no idea.

[lancsdave]

Melbourne St ran from Burnley Rd to Stanley St, then it became Pitt St from Stanley St to Plantation St according to an old map

[lancsdave]

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...map-50337.html

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Melbourne St ran from Burnley Rd to Stanley St, then it became Pitt St from Stanley St to Plantation St according to an old map

Pitt St actually came up to Birtwistle St, there was also a Higher Pitt St, facing the Prince of Wales, and a Back Pitt St.

[Bob Dobson]

I cannot find my copy of 'An Accrington Mixture' which might give an address for the Cricketers' Arms. It will also tell whether it was a beer house or did it sell spirits and wine. The custom of mill owners providing housing did not apply in Accrington - usually only in villages. Join (on-line) the Lancashire County Library library, which will give you access too 19th century newspapers. Using keyword Ingham and Cricketers, Pitt, select the Blackburn papers - it may bring something up. Look at censuses 1881 1891 and 1901. Moving from labourer to publican was a step up the social ladder

[kflannigan]

Originally Posted by Turtle

I took a look on the Find My Past website for the address you mentioned. In 1891 there is a Susannah Ingham, head of household, widow, Beerseller at the Cricketer's Arms. She has a servant and her 10 year old granddaughter living with her. In 1901, it's still listed as the Cricketer's Arms. In 1911 however, a new family lives there, and while the head of the household's occupation is 'Beerseller' there's no mention of it being the Cricketer's Arms. It is an 8 room 'house', so maybe they just didn't mention it on the Census form.

I googled old pubs of Accrington, and found the Lost Pubs Project website. It names a Cricketer's Arms on Melbourne St., closing in 1966. I don't know if this is the same pub, moved to a different address, or a totally different business.


About the cotton mill supplying housing for the workers: I've never heard of it, but maybe some other members on Accy Web can help with that.


Good luck with your search for info! I'm in Canada too, by the way, and rely totally on the Internet for my genealogy research.

Thank you very much for the information! I was able to find the site you mentioned. I'm trying to remember exactly... but I don't know whether it was the cotton mills or coal mines or maybe both but I believe the company owned or had something to do with the local housing sometimes... More or less landlords... I think I read that somewhere years ago and I also remember it being mentioned on Who Do You Think You Are (UK) as well (I'm hooked on that show! It helps with understanding the society and culture of the time especially since I've never even been to England). But.... I don't know how common the housing was for sure.

[kflannigan]

[kflannigan]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

I cannot find my copy of 'An Accrington Mixture' which might give an address for the Cricketers' Arms. It will also tell whether it was a beer house or did it sell spirits and wine. The custom of mill owners providing housing did not apply in Accrington - usually only in villages. Join (on-line) the Lancashire County Library library, which will give you access too 19th century newspapers. Using keyword Ingham and Cricketers, Pitt, select the Blackburn papers - it may bring something up. Look at censuses 1881 1891 and 1901. Moving from labourer to publican was a step up the social ladder

Thank you! I don't think I can get a membership though because I'm not in the U.K. I sent the application though... I guess we'll see lol!

[jim hacking]

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