War memorials

[wallop79]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Correct wth his number, I'm blaming my flaming Grandson, swopping keys round again. James had 1 brother & 7 Sisters, parents were Peter & Annie.
Here's his medal Card.
Retlaw.

Oy blaming the rugrat, its yer fat fingers thats to blame, not my little fella!

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by wallop79

Oy blaming the rugrat, its yer fat fingers thats to blame, not my little fella!

You what, that little rug rat is always messing my scanner settings up, and nicking the video zapper, so who else could it be.
Retlaw.

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Found a Memoriam notice in the April, 1919 Accy Observer. attached.
Retlaw

The lad himself from May 1917......

Phil

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Karateman

The lad himself from May 1917......

Phil

Thanks for that, but you should have said if you wanted a news article, I've done all te local papers from 1814 to 1920.
Retlaw.

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Thanks for that, but you should have said if you wanted a news article, I've done all te local papers from 1814 to 1920.
Retlaw.

I said in post 8 there was an article on him on 26 May 1917. Your version is much better than mine though..thank you.

If anyone is interested the story is as follows. My mother had two photos, the first of two soldiers, one soldier sat down and one stood up behind him outside a building in France. The photo has a hole in the centre and a stain around the outside. On the back my mother had wrote " found on Jim Pilkingtons body after he was killed" and she told me the hole was thought to be a bullet/ or shrapnel hole and the stain could be blood. I have always thought that one of the soldiers was Jim Pilkington. That was until a second photo turned up (the original of the one in the observer). My mother had wrote on the back "Jim Pilkington" and he was not one of the soldiers in the first photo. I assume they were his mates. I have thought that maybe his surviving relatives would be interested in the having the photos in memory of Jim.
The only possible flaw in the story could be that the photo was not taken from his body, because he has no known grave hence the Arras Memorial commemoration. That is unless he was killed in action and the photo was taken from his body by his mates, then the troops had to retreat and leave him.
It is all very intriguing and a wonderful story for one of our heroes and I have always wondered what the connection between his family and mine was...mum was only 5 when he died. She had done some research before she died hence the observer cutting which she obtained from the library in 1995.

So the search for relatives goes on............

Phil

[Retlaw]

The only possible flaw in the story could be that the photo was not taken from his body, because he has no known grave hence the Arras Memorial commemoration. That is unless he was killed in action and the photo was taken from his body by his mates, then the troops had to retreat and leave him.
In the news article the letter from the officer say he was killed by shell fire, they would have buried him behind the lines, this happened to 1000's of soldiers. Many of those graves were destroyed in subsequent battles, especially in March/April 1918. His mates would have handed his possessions to his officer, for them to be returned to his next of kin, the address of which would be written in his Small Book. Went to
Retlaw.

[Retlaw]

Carrying on from Went to. Ran out of time again.

Went to Accy Library this aft checking the 1914 Burgess Rolls, to see if he lived near his parents in 1914, couldn't find him, unfortunately there is no 1914 for Ossy, I was hoping he might have lived near his parents, just over the border. It also says his name is on the U.M.Church Roll of Honour, can't find his name on that either.
Retlaw.

[Retlaw]

If anyone is interested the story is as follows. My mother had two photos, the first of two soldiers, one soldier sat down and one stood up behind him outside a building in France. The photo has a hole in the centre and a stain around the outside. On the back my mother had wrote " found on Jim Pilkingtons body after he was killed" and she told me the hole was thought to be a bullet/ or shrapnel hole and the stain could be blood.
If you could send me a decent scan of that photo, theres a chance I could identify them, quite a number of men from Greater Accrington served in the Scottish Rifles in WW1, one of them was.
Pte. 14268. Joe Pilkington.
Retlaw.

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Carrying on from Went to. Ran out of time again.

Went to Accy Library this aft checking the 1914 Burgess Rolls, to see if he lived near his parents in 1914, couldn't find him, unfortunately there is no 1914 for Ossy, I was hoping he might have lived near his parents, just over the border. It also says his name is on the U.M.Church Roll of Honour, can't find his name on that either.
Retlaw.

Walter...where would the UM Church roll of honour be?

Phil

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Karateman

Walter...where would the UM Church roll of honour be?

Phil

Have'nt a clue, its now over 25 years since Bill Turner & I started collecting names from Rolls of Honour, did the church merge with another, quite a few have over the years. Could be one that Bill rescued, and its in Accy Library.

Retlaw.

[Bob Dobson]

A mate of mine collates information on WMs & RoH's for a national organisation. I will send his details to Retlaw. also to Karateman by PM and get his OK to put it on this forum. Are we talking about the United Methodists or does UM mean summat else?

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

A mate of mine collates information on WMs & RoH's for a national organisation. I will send his details to Retlaw. also to Karateman by PM and get his OK to put it on this forum. Are we talking about the United Methodists or does UM mean summat else?

What about all the names that are missing from WM's & RoH's, there are 158 names missing from Hyndburns WM's, Accringtons has 11 double entries, even the Common Wealth War Graves have names missing.
Retlaw.

[Bob Dobson]

My mate, Mike Coyle ,has checked the National Register of WMs and found ;- there isn't one locally containing the words United Methodist. Of known WMs, there are Hr Antley Meths (lost); Abbey St Wesleyans (lost) Spring Hlil Meths (lost -a query on this loss) Union St Meths (lost) Cambridge St Meths is in situ Whalley Rd Primitive is in the library. Contact Mike on [email protected]

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

My mate, Mike Coyle ,has checked the National Register of WMs and found ;- there isn't one locally containing the words United Methodist. Of known WMs, there are Hr Antley Meths (lost); Abbey St Wesleyans (lost) Spring Hlil Meths (lost -a query on this loss) Union St Meths (lost) Cambridge St Meths is in situ Whalley Rd Primitive is in the library. Contact Mike on [email protected]

The actual memorial may be lost, but Bill and I collected all the names from all known Memorials & Rolls of Honour years ago.
You can inlude in the list of missing Royds St Baptists stolen,
Chricst Church, lost (I made them a new one) St Anne's Church Cobham Rd, (I've provided information for a new one)
There were also numerous Clubs, Pubs, Schools, workplaces, Rolls of Honour, and Memorials, we collected the names off every thing we could think of. There must have been a R-O-H for the UMC church in Ossy, I have a list of names.
Retlaw

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

A mate of mine collates information on WMs & RoH's for a national organisation. I will send his details to Retlaw. also to Karateman by PM and get his OK to put it on this forum. Are we talking about the United Methodists or does UM mean summat else?

The newspaper cutting says he was a member of the United Methodists church Moscow Mill st Osw, and is on the roll of honour there. So I was wondering if it had been "saved", parden the pun, when the church was demolished. Surely something so important and poignant to the people of Ossy and Accy wouldn't have been destroyed.....

Phil