1 in 4 living off benefits - Page 12

BERNADETTE · 04-09-2007, 20:32

You aren't listening, we don't agree with it but unless we can come up with a solution what can we actually do about it? I know there are some people who manage to con their way onto DLA, but I know a hell of a lot more who have had to fight for it. No it is not right that the people not entitled are getting it but if you have the solution you are in the wrong job!

churchfcrules · 04-09-2007, 20:37

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You aren't listening, we don't agree with it but unless we can come up with a solution what can we actually do about it? I know there are some people who manage to con their way onto DLA, but I know a hell of a lot more who have had to fight for it. No it is not right that the people not entitled are getting it but if you have the solution you are in the wrong job!

i just feel that apathy is the greatest enemy of any society, and although the solution i offered may not be ideal, it is a solution, but with that said will we ever find an ideal solution to any problem, i think not.

i think that any goverment are more bothered about their precious whitehall perks, than to introduce wide reaching benefit reforms

Stanaccy · 04-09-2007, 20:40

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these things are all supposed to be in place now, for JSA

so MR A how long did it take you to read the paper, 3 days mmmmmm interesting.

so the agency/job centre/advisor you visited, did you log your attendance?

i feel you are just nit picking, of course there can be procedures introduced to check on peoples job seeking

and enough said why? so any politcal stance the varies from your own can be dismissed as poppycock?

No, wrong end of stick meet right end.

I was a new deal advisor, many people who have been unemployed for a long period of time it takes a lot of work to get them back into work. Problems such as low self esteem and depression are common, because of the length of time without work.

Reasons for people being out of work can vary from dependency problems, criminal records and abusive relationships, forced labour or forced into anything will not help any of these.

With regards the Austrian government and extremist right wing government regime, yes I do disagree with there outlook and the majority of the policies, however if you can name another country with a working welfare state that uses this then I will look into it further, but as you have only mentioned one country with the most right wing government since Hitler I will treat it with a great deal of caution.

BERNADETTE · 04-09-2007, 20:41

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Originally Posted by churchfcrules

i just feel that apathy is the greatest enemy of any society, and although the solution i offered may not be ideal, it is a solution, but with that said will we ever find an ideal solution to any problem, i think not.

i think that any goverment are more bothered about their precious whitehall perks, than to introduce wide reaching benefit reforms

Now we are singing from the same sheet, until the people in power decide to tighten the system up we are powerless

Eric · 04-09-2007, 20:42

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there are three types of lies, lies ,damn lies and statistics- benjamin disrealli

Government uses statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination .... John Diefenbaker.

churchfcrules · 04-09-2007, 20:45

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Now we are singing from the same sheet, until the people in power decide to tighten the system up we are powerless

but we put the people in power, how are we powerless, if that is the case then we may as well just live under a dictaorship, ad sign away total control of our lives, use the power of the ballot box, if everyone who felt the same lobbied their MP, they would have to take notice

churchfcrules · 04-09-2007, 20:45

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Government uses statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination .... John Diefenbaker.

i like it
so now im gonna google john diefenbaker

BERNADETTE · 04-09-2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Eric

Government uses statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination .... John Diefenbaker.

That is a good one Eric and so very true, they just lump figures together and this is the reaction they get from it

Stanaccy · 04-09-2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Eric

Government uses statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination .... John Diefenbaker.

I really do like that one

churchfcrules · 04-09-2007, 20:52

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i like it
so now im gonna google john diefenbaker

ok done it, know who he was now

garinda · 04-09-2007, 21:04

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arguable point, it was never official accredited to either, but im just argumentative lol

What can be credited is that I first used the quote, way back in post 112 of this thread.

BERNADETTE · 04-09-2007, 21:07

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Originally Posted by churchfcrules

but we put the people in power, how are we powerless, if that is the case then we may as well just live under a dictaorship, ad sign away total control of our lives, use the power of the ballot box, if everyone who felt the same lobbied their MP, they would have to take notice

There you go again, I do use my vote but at the moment I can't take off to London to lobby my MP(not that it would make any difference if I could). The problem runs much deeper here in Hyndburn, a lot of our industry has gone so the jobs aren't there like they used to be. This is not a new problem, people have been living on benefits for years, but when I was younger it was hardly noticeable.