1 in 4 living off benefits - Page 5

MargaretR · 31-08-2007, 17:14

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Margaret that wasn't a reference to you , I was talking about the person who pretended he needed a walking stick. When I read the posts back it looked as if I was refering to you and Westender, I can assure you that was not the case!!

ok - I realised that

lindsay ormerod · 31-08-2007, 21:26

If more people shopped those that they know are claiming illegally it might help; even if it just gives those claiming a kick up the butt to do something with thier lives. People get into a rut and are mollycoddled by the state and really have no incentive to get off their arses and do something, It's all done for them and they lose touch with the real world.

Eric · 01-09-2007, 10:01

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

It includes students and early retirees - statistics can be distorted to say whatever you want them to say.

I saw government statistical methods changing often
The answers you get depend on the subtle way the questions are asked

This is true ... and it is what many who have posted to this thread have forgotten.

And then there is the old song that I can't quite remember: "It's the same the whole world over, it's the poor what gets the blame ... etc."

When thinking of government "support," many forget the support the govt. gives to major corporations: that's it, the rich. I have no good reason to suppose that in this England is all that much different from Canada. In the form of grants, tax loopholes, and incentives govts., particularly conservative (not necessarily Conservative) govts. give money to business in the often proved false belief that they will use this to create jobs. Well, the money goes out; but where are the jobs? We all know: in third (or second) world countries where wages, safety standards etc. are almost non existent. Some years ago in Canada, the New Democratic Party (our Labour) did a lot of research on this and identified what their leader, a rare honest politician, Ed Broadbent, called "Corporate Welfare Bums." And it is to these bums that Billions of "welfare" bucks go. Fortunately, it is getting much better here.

You won't, however, see these bums hanging around on street corners, lounging on their Lamborghinis, guzzling champers, and making asses of themselves. They are rarely visible, and if they are seen they are respectable. But they are there, and they are more responsible for the country's economic problems than are the poor bums.

WillowTheWhisp · 01-09-2007, 12:44

The ones who claim benefits when they are fit and able to work seem to know all the wangles. I know someone in their 20s who has done only a couple of days work and then developed a bad back and has been on the sick ever since - even when 'shopped' and sent for a medical they managed to pass it. Must be a talented actor.

I know someone else who is fitter than me but claiming DLA and has not only a bus pass but a free car which is used by another member of the family! Yet someone else I know who was a genuine claimant and had a list of disabilities as long as your arm was refused and is now dead, that's how disabled he was - terminally!

It just seems to me that genuine people don't get what they are entitled to whilst scroungers know how to milk the system.

A friend of mine who did actually injure her back was left to fend for herself with 3 young children and the doctor had told her to 'take it easy'!!!

panther · 01-09-2007, 12:49

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

! Yet someone else I know who was a genuine claimant and had a list of disabilities as long as your arm was refused and is now dead, that's how disabled he was - terminally!

It just seems to me that genuine people don't get what they are entitled to

same ere willow, he had angina, couldnt walk very far and couldnt even get a disable sticker for his car, or mobilty, he too died

yet someoneelse who can walk very easily and seems to have everything is on mobilty....etc.....i would love to know how they get away with it!

shillelagh · 02-09-2007, 00:00

ok you look at me im walking around, dont use a walking stick or frame etc to get around. I dont have a carer or social worker etc. I've no visible signs of disability. I've been on the sick since 1995 - because i dont look disabled am i a scrounger? I have actually been registered disabled since my 16th birthday but worked until 13 years ago and then did something to my wrists. I still have the braces for my wrists but i try not to wear them. I dont like wearing them because they stop me from doing stuff. So even if it looks like they arent disabled they may be - they may be like me - no visible signs of disability but they are still classed as disabled. You dont know unless you are there when they take the mobility test to see if they pass it or not.

WillowTheWhisp · 02-09-2007, 08:22

But if you know them and have seen them doing things they claim not to be physically capable of then you know they are claiming under false pretences. What about the guy who claims an extra allowance for a carer because he maintainss he cannot even go into town alone and then swans off on a foreign holiday by himself without said carer? Or the guy who hobbles into the benefit office leaning heavily on a stick and then saunters off down Broadway swinging it round jauntily? It's people like that who are actually making life harder for people like you.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-09-2007, 10:16

Willow, if you know these peolpe are not entitled to the benefits they are claiming, then you should report them. If you report them and they are found to be caliming falsely then they may be made to pay back the benefits they have fraudulently obtained.
As they say on TV 'Benefit Fraud is a crime'.

ChrisMG · 02-09-2007, 13:18

The dregs of society you see wandering round town everyday are not disabled or long term sick. I don't know how they do it but they dont work. Absolute scumbags. You even see 3 generations of the same family.

Lampman · 03-09-2007, 17:30

Having taken note of all the comments about genuine disability claimants,I was out and about in Accrington during the course of the day and I still saw loads of people who were roaming around aimlessly doing impressions of Rab c Nesbit.There is a hard core of no hopers in Accrington and I think it is getting worse.

BERNADETTE · 03-09-2007, 20:25

I agree there a of people claiming who are not entitled to DLA, but I wish people were not so quick to jump to conclusions. Ian went into town the other day to get my birthday present, you can't tell by looking at him that he is being treated for cancer. Anyway to get back to the tale, he had taken his walking stick(which he has only just started using on a regular basis) and as he was leaving the shop the assistant kindly told him he had left it. At this a customer remarked that he probably didn't need it anyway. Remarks like this are very hurtful especially to a man who values his indepence as highly as Ian does. So please don't think everybody who hasn't got a visible disability is a con artist.

WillowTheWhisp · 03-09-2007, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Willow, if you know these peolpe are not entitled to the benefits they are claiming, then you should report them.

The one who claimed for a carer was reported and sent for an assessment but he managed to convince them he couldn't even find his way to the medical centre on his own, so his benefit was reinstated.

The stick swinger was me repeating something someone else had said.

churchfcrules · 03-09-2007, 21:56

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

ok you look at me im walking around, dont use a walking stick or frame etc to get around. I dont have a carer or social worker etc. I've no visible signs of disability. I've been on the sick since 1995 - because i dont look disabled am i a scrounger? I have actually been registered disabled since my 16th birthday but worked until 13 years ago and then did something to my wrists. I still have the braces for my wrists but i try not to wear them. I dont like wearing them because they stop me from doing stuff. So even if it looks like they arent disabled they may be - they may be like me - no visible signs of disability but they are still classed as disabled. You dont know unless you are there when they take the mobility test to see if they pass it or not.

dont take this personal, but out of interest, have you been offered the chance of re-training, i mean you can type, which means you could be capable of a data inputter job for example, as i say i am not being personal, its just a generalised question really, as i see it they can class you as disabled if you are unfit to carry out your normal job, but as for a lot of these people on benefits, are they really incapable of carrying out ANY work, and also i ahve seen people in wheelchairs working, so if they can work, is it not a question of re assesing those unfit to work?

mallard · 03-09-2007, 22:11

They want to come were i live they are some foke what live not to for from me he claims benifits he had a hart a tack but yet he can still run up and down from his alotment so were or we going wrong.

Royboy39 · 03-09-2007, 22:25

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Originally Posted by mallard

They want to come were i live they are some foke what live not to for from me he claims benifits he had a hart a tack but yet he can still run up and down from his alotment so were or we going wrong.

Can't believe where you are coming from.......the man is trying to stay alive though keeping himself fit.......what is wrong with that?