18th Bithday - Page 3

garinda · 15-03-2008, 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz

Don't make excuses for them.
Even at ten years old you should know right from wrong.

Blazey is nineteen, and we try to excuse her.

Loz · 15-03-2008, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda

Blazey is nineteen, and we try to excuse her.

LOL

Good point though i don't know why we bother!

Lilly · 15-03-2008, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda

You, or anyone else, has no way of knowing if thet feel shame and guilt, or not. Fact. Unless of course you've spoken of the matter with one, or both, of them.

Are you saying that all killers feel guilt for their crimes?

I fear you're not learning much on your law course, unless the syllabus hasn't yet covered the more famous cases of child killers, of the last hundred years or so.

Very true, Garinda. We don't know that they feel shame and guilt. They might do, they might not do. Certainly not all killers feel guilt from their crimes. Apparently Rose West has yet to show any remorse for what she did.

I just think that the whole picture needs to be taken into consideration and that their backgrounds, which in no way excuse what they did, go some way to explaining how they came to do it.

I don't think that children should be tried in the same way and given the same punishments as adults. Like I said before, hopefully they are now rehabilitated and living honest lives just like Mary Bell who herself was the murderer of two ten year olds in the 1960s. She spent time in Red Bank and was released at 18. She is reported to be full of remorse for her actions, she too had a horrific home life and was abused by her mother. I read the book 'Cries Unheard' which Mary Bell contributed to and she said that she has always had counselling for what she did and still finds it hard to talk about. She is now living a quiet life with her husband and partner but she said she will never come to terms with what she did and especially since becoming a mother herself, she thinks of what she deprived those two boys' mothers of every day.

jaysay · 15-03-2008, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda

You, or anyone else, has no way of knowing if thet feel shame and guilt, or not. Fact. Unless of course you've spoken of the matter with one, or both, of them.

Are you saying that all killers feel guilt for their crimes?

I fear you're not learning much on your law course, unless the syllabus hasn't yet covered the more famous cases of child killers, of the last hundred years or so.

Well Rindi we can only hope that when this young lady graduates, she is lucky enough to get a lucrative possition with a big law firm in London, miles away from Accy

Maybe because she has a weird outlook on life as we know it, or is it that most of us on her have also been to university, the university of life

mani · 15-03-2008, 16:35

i think we shud save this thread in the off chance that young lady develops into something more than just a big law firm player

then we can blackmail her!!

panther · 15-03-2008, 16:36

shes all wind and ****

.............

cashman · 15-03-2008, 16:39

well shes thoughtless,tactless, sarcastic,n a wind up merchant too boot,so i reckon the young lady will do very well in life.

jaysay · 15-03-2008, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman

well shes thoughtless,tactless, sarcastic,n a wind up merchant too boot,so i reckon the young lady will do very well in life.

Well when you put it like that cashy you might have a point, never did thee and me any harm

cashman · 15-03-2008, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well when you put it like that cashy you might have a point, never did thee and me any harm

Exactly......

blazey · 15-03-2008, 20:08

I didn't say I don't feel angry at them because I think they feel guilty, I can't say I feel anything towards them because I don't know what they feel, or why they did what they did.

Some people have very strange reasons for doing things, and its beyond my ability to try and imagine myself in the position of a child killer. Law teaches you to be as objective as you possibly can, and to think following legal principle rather than common sense.

Common sense would assume killers must be evil, but if you look at the law you see many killers who AREN'T evil. Some have understandable reasons for what they did and some have ones that are difficult to understand for many.

I know a few 'christians' who would probably do anything if they thought God said to do it, they're almost manic about their beliefs even when they contradict themselves. I am catholic and I find that hard to understand, as would many, and its the sort of behaviour you wouldn't link with christians, but you would easily link with a muslim, because at least they have a REASON behind why they want to do such things (though this may be disputed).

Point is, these people that do these things AREN'T monsters, they're ordinary people, and come face to face with them I don't think I could conjure up any emotion towards someone who I don't really know.

blazey · 15-03-2008, 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman

well shes thoughtless,tactless, sarcastic,n a wind up merchant too boot,so i reckon the young lady will do very well in life.

In sad reality I am only sarcastic, so I probably wont be as much a success as I would like to be.

Loz · 15-03-2008, 20:11

Name me a killer that you can understand why they did it?
I cannot think of a valid reason for murder but please do enlighten me.

blazey · 15-03-2008, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz

Name me a killer that you can understand why they did it?
I cannot think of a valid reason for murder but please do enlighten me.

Kiranjit Ahluwahlia....Sara Thornton.... just to name two people who have killed with valid reason. I'm sure there are thousands just like those people alone...

I do not feel sympathy for them either though just like I don't feel hate for venables and thompson.... they're just people who I dont know!

Loz · 15-03-2008, 20:29

Ok i will give you that one but killing an abusive husband is a lot different than killing an innocent child.

blazey · 15-03-2008, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz

Ok i will give you that one but killing an abusive husband is a lot different than killing an innocent child.

Murder is murder, doesn't matter who you have killed. If we tried to make a law that made allowances like that there would be a lot of problems.

Some children are bullied or abused at home an have built up rage inside them that they then take out on others. Whilst I can't suggest that about Venables and Thompson because I don't know their case inside out, there are possible suggestions like that for when these things happen.

I just don't know enough to care, is that not a reasonable enough explanation?