90 days detention - Page 5

SPUGGIE J · 15-11-2005, 16:28

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Originally Posted by garinda

Indeed. Besides Cyfr, there has been very little comment from our Tory members on this.

Tories tough on terrorism my backside. Though more than happy to score political points against Blair, rather than protect our national security.

Wonder if they would be happy scoring points if god forbid there was another terrorist attack as in Brighton in 86? How ould that be explain especially if the police knew something was afoot but didnt have the time they wanted to stop it. If police need 90 days to stop it and only got 28 and those that had been held went ahead and did the deed who would they blame? Answer everyone bar themselves. This bunch of wimps are endangering lives of innocent people for thes points they so desperately want. I am not a fan of everything Tony Blair wants but this is as vital as your heartbeat!!!!!!

cashman · 15-11-2005, 17:36

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Originally Posted by garinda

Indeed. Besides Cyfr, there has been very little comment from our Tory members on this.

Tories tough on terrorism my backside. Though more than happy to score political points against Blair, rather than protect our national security.

well i wasn't JUSTrefering to our tory MEMBERS.

Doug · 15-11-2005, 17:40

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Originally Posted by garinda

Indeed. Besides Cyfr, there has been very little comment from our Tory members on this.

Tories tough on terrorism my backside. Though more than happy to score political points against Blair, rather than protect our national security.

I voted Tory, Is that really a problem.

garinda · 15-11-2005, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Doug

I voted Tory, Is that really a problem.

Not all. It's very brave of you to come out.

Do you think the Tories were right to support the Labour rebels to defeat the 90 day bill, just so they could make political headway?

Doug · 15-11-2005, 18:03

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Originally Posted by garinda

Not all. It's very brave of you to come out.

Do you think the Tories were right to support the Labour rebels to defeat the 90 day bill, just so they could make political headway?

Why 90 Day’s……..What happens if you find your evidence on day 94 when the would be terrorist has left the country. The length of detention is irrelevant. If you need more time you go to the judge when appropriate. What you going to do if you don’t have sufficient cause to hold someone after your 90 days are up, you apply for more. What Blaire was doing was playing up to the public and claiming the high moral ground, it is he who playing political games because he knows that there will always be those people that will crib about this subject and take their eyes off the ball. If you want to act against this threat you take the appropriate action and stand by your decision come what may. I would prefer it if the money spent on long periods of detention was spent on building up the intelligence network and bullets. Identify your target. Mark It. Destroy it. We would save a fortune that way, so we can spend more money people who deserve something better than petty political ramblings...

SPUGGIE J · 15-11-2005, 18:41

There is more serious debate on this issue here than I thought there could be. Its good to see (without the hand bags wood be better). We have for against and abstentions, bit like Westminster.

mani · 16-11-2005, 18:34

i dont know if this has been said or not but one thing i find strange

when the anti-iraq protests were going on - and public opinion was showing we shudnt b participating in the war - blair totally ignored the public opinion.

now that he's lost this vote for the 90 day detention he's runnin to the point that the public wanted it...

garinda · 16-11-2005, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Doug

Why 90 Day’s....... The length of detention is irrelevant.

All the evidence, including that from the police, suggested ninety days would be needed to collate all the information, and then to either charge or free the suspected terorrists.

If your going to be churlish about it, you might as well say that the evidence should be gathered in ninety minutes, and if not let 'em go.

mani · 16-11-2005, 18:50

the prob is that the 7/7 bombers were soo well "hidden" that british security ppl are now spooked into thinkin anyone and everyone cud b a potential terrorist. like that guy babbar ahmed - he's been let off by british police as not having any links with terrorisism yet the usa want to extradite him. his family are fearin that they wont see him for a few yrs as he probably will b taken straight to guantanamo out of us law.

with the 90 day thing i cud easily be locked up for 90 days as they trek thru my pc or search my back ground and be inconclusive. yet for that simple thing i know i wud lose my job straight away as i work for the home office.

SPUGGIE J · 17-11-2005, 09:16

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Originally Posted by mani

the prob is that the 7/7 bombers were soo well "hidden" that british security ppl are now spooked into thinkin anyone and everyone cud b a potential terrorist. like that guy babbar ahmed - he's been let off by british police as not having any links with terrorisism yet the usa want to extradite him. his family are fearin that they wont see him for a few yrs as he probably will b taken straight to guantanamo out of us law.

with the 90 day thing i cud easily be locked up for 90 days as they trek thru my pc or search my back ground and be inconclusive. yet for that simple thing i know i wud lose my job straight away as i work for the home office.

Mani if you work for the home office then you would have had stringent background checks done prior to starting the job. These would be as tough or tougher than the ones some suspects would face.

You will just have to get rid of shoot em up games in case they consider that training.

mani · 19-11-2005, 02:50

i've already had to delete doom and half life incase they thought i was gonna b spreadin some kinda virus and was using the game to practise my survival techniques...

dont even get me started on having to delete civilisation 4, command and conquer, airport tycoon and havin to throw away my dvd of the great escape...

SPUGGIE J · 19-11-2005, 12:16

Sad thing is mani that it wont belong before all that you said could be concidered training.

chav1 · 19-11-2005, 12:50

i used to have microsoft flight simulator but gave it up as a bad job..

the only thing under threat of a terrorist attack from me was the runway lol

SPUGGIE J · 19-11-2005, 14:13

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Originally Posted by chav1

i used to have microsoft flight simulator but gave it up as a bad job..

the only thing under threat of a terrorist attack from me was the runway lol

Glad I aint the onlyone bad at gaming.

chav1 · 19-11-2005, 16:10

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Glad I aint the onlyone bad at gaming.

nope your still on your own its only flight sims ime crap at and their mainly for very sad people anyway so no biggie lol

the only thing sadder is train simulators how anyone can sit infront of a pc and drive a train for hours on end is beyond belief lol