a lesson to the british prison system! - Page 2

WillowTheWhisp · 09-01-2007, 22:59

I think this is our misunderstanding of the American system Billcat. It sounds like we Brits are all talking about what we would like to see happening in prisons to our convicted criminals who do seem to have the life of Riley compared to their victims.

SPUGGIE J · 10-01-2007, 00:12

Prisons aka State Hiltons. Maybe we could learn a thing or two off the law system in the land over the pond. They seem to have what we need less capital punishment.

jedimaster · 10-01-2007, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Billcat

In other words, you favor punishing folks who ahave not yet been convicted of any crime? Am I understanding you correctly?

no you misunderstand

let me explain in laymans terms

criminal= person responsible for commiting crime
commiting a crime = guilty of performing an illegal act
guilty = punishment
punishment does not mean a free holiday in butlins

is this simple enough?

garinda · 10-01-2007, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

no you misunderstand

let me explain in laymans terms

criminal= person responsible for commiting crime
commiting a crime = guilty of performing an illegal act
guilty = punishment
punishment does not mean a free holiday in butlins

is this simple enough?

Yes but as was pointed out quite simply enough, any prisoners who may happen to be on remand, haven't yet been found guilty of any crime yet. They may indeed, as many are, be innocent.

chav1 · 10-01-2007, 00:55

prisoners in the UK will never be punished..

europe wont allow us to

jedimaster · 10-01-2007, 01:01

ok maybe i need to explain a little more

i am mereley trying to say that the BRITISH prison system could learn a thing or two from this example
the difference in justice systems between here and America is irrelevant
britain needs to stop treating convicted criminals in prisons as 1st class passengers on the QEII and actually punish them for their crimes

If criminals were to see that prison meant punishment and hard labour instead of luxury and a free ride through life then just maybe there would be less repeat offences!

chav1 · 10-01-2007, 01:04

yes we all agree with that but liek i just stated above europe wont allow us to treat prisoners liek they should be

example

when we tried extroditing that terrorist with hooks for hands all teh papers were sighned to ship him off to america but european law over ruled us and said we had to keep him

all the rights given to prisoners come from been under european law so na matter how many laws britain makes a prisoner can go crying to europe and get them over ruled

thats the way i see it anyway :-)

garinda · 10-01-2007, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

ok maybe i need to explain a little more

i am mereley trying to say that the BRITISH prison system could learn a thing or two from this example
the difference in justice systems between here and America is irrelevant
britain needs to stop treating convicted criminals in prisons as 1st class passengers on the QEII and actually punish them for their crimes

If criminals were to see that prison meant punishment and hard labour instead of luxury and a free ride through life then just maybe there would be less repeat offences!

I'm not necessarily disagreeing. Just pointing out that you were a bit snotty and dismissive of Billcat's comments, which happen to be true.

jedimaster · 10-01-2007, 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda

I'm not necessarily disagreeing. Just pointing out that you were a bit snotty and dismissive of Billcat's comments, which happen to be true.

not at all rindy
as i said the system in the us is irrelevant to what i was trying to get accross
hence the thread title

garinda · 10-01-2007, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

not at all rindy
as i said the system in the us is irrelevant to what i was trying to get accross
hence the thread title

So why quote Billcats reference, that not everyone in prison has been necessarily been found guilty of committing a crime?

jedimaster · 10-01-2007, 01:22

cos i havent quite mastered the cutting and editing of quotes yet
so the whole thing was quoted to show who i was replying to

garinda · 10-01-2007, 01:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

cos i havent quite mastered the cutting and editing of quotes yet
so the whole thing was quoted to show who i was replying to

Lol, ok, I'll let you off.

jedimaster · 10-01-2007, 01:34

cheers rindy i appreciate it

i will get the hang of it one day!!!!

(notice no quote)

Ianto.W. · 10-01-2007, 01:44

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Originally Posted by garinda

Lol, ok, I'll let you off.

You never let me off that easy when I was 'learning' garinda.

Vicks · 10-01-2007, 02:23

I think our prison system is a farce, let's face it if our prison's were to get more tough perhaps we wouldn't have people reoffending. Let's face it it's a pretty cushy life! Especially if you've got some waiting on the outside with a wad of cash if you do the time for their crime (it happen's) you get decent meals, tv and even learn a trade whilst serving your time. Maybe their are the few who are remorseful for what they have done and want to come and restart a new life but you only need to look at the stats to see our prison's need a big shake up! Cos whatever there doing at the moment just ain't working!