a lesson to the british prison system!

[jedimaster]

see at mine it is called resoursefullness

the ability to use available resourses to back up your case
a commendable skill where i come from
also i never said that the material was mine however the opinions are

and my case is that the prison system in this country sucks along with many other things but especially the fact that so much emphasis is put into criminals rights that more often than not the rights of the VICTIMS are either ignored or rubbed in their faces

but unfortunately you like many others choose to side with the criminals

i wonder if you would feel the same if a similar occurrence to the example i gave happened to you

but as we have said before the system is different in the us and it must be far superior to our system so much so that normal people feel that the only way they can be safe is to carry guns with them

[garinda]

Re: soldier's accomodation.

The earlier posted photographs may infact have been solidiers accomodation, but they are unsourced. How typical that is, I am unable to say. I do however have a friend in the army, and he lives in the Palladian splendour of Wellington Barracks in London's Knightsbridge, just a short hop to his, and the other soldiers who live there, corner shop Harrods.

I'm sure that service personnel throughout the world sometimes live in less than perfect situations. This I presume is part of the deal when you sign up to serve Queen and country.

I did find this press release from the Army about accomodation.

http://www.army.mod.uk/news/army_new...ommodation.htm

[garinda]

By the way, if infact the photograph puporting to show a bath, that is typical of a soldier's living conditions is true, then the soldier whose job it was to clean it, should be court martialed and sent to prison.

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by garinda

By the way, if infact the photograph puporting to show a bath, that is typical of a soldier's living conditions is true, then the soldier whose job it was to clean it, should be court martialed and sent to prison.

(digression) in the old days Mess invitations used to be addressed to....
Officers Ladies
Sergeants Wives
other ranks women

maybe one of the "other ranks women" is responsible for the nasty bathtub

[Ianto.W.]

***Mr D*** People wanting to go back to prison, so coming out and re offending to get put straight back in.

This is usually due to the fact that their 'lot' in prison is far better than their 'lot' outside, this leads to institusionalization.

[the real michael]

being convicted of a crime and serving a custodial sentence doesnt make
that person bad or evil......... there are more reasons excuses and motives
than there are sub-clauses in the law books... to tar eveyone with such a
one sided misinformed attitude means lack of true knowledge and an education totally reliant on papers with tits in them..... if all prisoners are scum then what about moses..john the baptist and even the christ! all became prisoners of the state (and criminals) ... are they scum too?
or the people jailed by over zealous mentally retarded j.p,s for refusing to pay
the poll taxes? people arrested at(peacefull) protest rallies...people accused of sex crimes by a disgruntled ex... the list is massive ... prison is not cushy..
if youve never actually served time in prison you really shouldnt comment on
life inside as a misinformed conclusion can lead to a sin greater than the
criminals you would like to see strung up and starved... its satans favourite
sin...... Self-Righteousness.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by jedimaster

The issue of illegal drug use in prison illustrates my point. The establishment line is that nothing can be done about drugs in British jails, but what they mean is that they have neither the will nor the desire to do anything about it.

Never mind "nothing can be done about it" - what about the ex-prisoners suing the prison service because they couldn't get their drugs whilst they were in prison?

No, I don't have a link but what's the point of providing a link when the response to the link is derogatory anyway.

On the subject of accomodation for military personnel, nice to see that some new barracks are being built and nicely furnished complete with fluffy pink rugs.

[jedimaster]

i can provide many many links but as you say when the reply is just derogatory what is the point
and in reply to some i am a litttle confused since when does the telegraph have tits in it? (well apart from the odd article about g w b. lol.)

[expat]

Maybe they should have two types of prison.one for first offenders maybe people that have fallen on hard times, maybe a lack of a proper education are hooked on drugs,give them a chance to do better for themselve,put them out, and if we see them back, then the second prison should be slightly differant rocks and sledge hammers and if they repeat again, throw away the key,becauce these people are no hope'rs who who don't deserve any public sympathy and only educate petty criminals into their lifestyle,you can't tame a mad dog,

[WillowTheWhisp]

Is that part of the theory behind open prisons? It sounds like a good idea though.

[jedimaster]

yes it does i could be convinced with a system like that
however as with any system once you get a government body behind it, it is open to bribary and corruption and prone to failure
but in theory a great idea!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jedimaster

i can provide many many links but as you say when the reply is just derogatory what is the point
and in reply to some i am a litttle confused since when does the telegraph have tits in it? (well apart from the odd article about g w b. lol.)

It was you that asked if Billcat was 'real' when he raised a point you didn't agree with. Respect for someone elses differing point of view works both ways..

Where did the photographs od soldiers 'typical' accomodation come from?

[jedimaster]

same pics as were on national news and there are plenty more like this

i agree with what you are saying but no i don't agree with him
his point is basically stuff the victims and let the prisoners have what they want!
he is entitled to his opinion and i mine. that is the point of a discussion
however i have not been derogatory in any way just put forward my point of view which i believe i am entitled to do on here!

[Billcat]

Originally Posted by jedimaster

see at mine it is called resoursefullness

the ability to use available resourses to back up your case
a commendable skill where i come from
also i never said that the material was mine however the opinions are

but unfortunately you like many others choose to side with the criminals

i wonder if you would feel the same if a similar occurrence to the example i gave happened to you

but as we have said before the system is different in the us and it must be far superior to our system so much so that normal people feel that the only way they can be safe is to carry guns with them

"Resourcefulness?" ROTFLMAO! Let's be brutally honest. It was not resourcefulness, but theft! You took something that was not yours and presented it as your own. You didn't even do a competent of it as you deception was immediately revealed. While we may call it by legalistic names such as "plagiarism," or "copyright infringement," when you come down to basics, it is simply stealing. Loks like you really aren't much differnet than those fellow "inside," enjoying all those "luxury" accomodations! The only real difference is that when you do it, you appropriate things that are worthless.

You are really a very poor debater, jedimaster. Full of emotion, devoid of fact, ignoring any evdence that the other side presents - and determined to engage in "ad hominem" attacks ("side with criminals" for example) when you find yourself in a losing postion. I have really lost all respect for your abilities. IMHO, you aren't here to enter a discussion, you are here to whine and complain - and you cannot deal with the concept that there are folks who have reasoned, factual reasons for disagreeing with you.

BTW, it is very rare for anyone in this part of the USA to carry a gun, so I will thank you for posting one more bit of factless nonsense! Around here, we manage to be safe without them.

[Billcat]

Originally Posted by garinda

Re: soldier's accomodation.

Thanks for the reasoned comments, rindy! They are a blessed relief from the rest of this non-discussion.

Hope you're feeling better recently. I know that you were at less than your best in the past weeks and that is certainly no fun. If you seen Yvonne, give her my greetings - and let her know that I am rehearsing a show. When I came home I auditioned for a local theatre group and landed the role of Pseudolus in "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum." Should be a blast!