a lesson to the british prison system! - Page 6

Billcat · 11-01-2007, 16:58

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Originally Posted by jedimaster

his point is basically stuff the victims and let the prisoners have what they want!

Jedimaster, those are your words, not mine. You have once again blatantly misrepresented what I have said. Do little matters, like factual evidence, reasoned argument, and the truth ever concern you?

LancYorkYankee · 11-01-2007, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Billcat

BTW, it is very rare for anyone in this part of the USA to carry a gun, so I will thank you for posting one more bit of factless nonsense! Around here, we manage to be safe without them.

A bit of a thread wander but Billcat I'd have to dispute that point. At least the part of the East Coast I'm aware of (that'd be from Richmond, Virginia through Boston, Massachusetts) there are many. many people who are carrying guns. Unfortunately, it is 90% being the criminal element. Either using them in commiting crimes, shooting each other or innocent bystanders. It amazes me how many people are stopped for some small incident then the cops find them with a gun.

Jedi., I'd love you to come over and run some of our prisons. I think you'd do a swell job!

IMO

Brian

Okay, carry on! (I'm off to shoot something!

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Billcat · 11-01-2007, 19:32

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

A bit of a thread wander but Billcat I'd have to dispute that point. At least the part of the East Coast I'm aware of (that'd be from Richmond, Virginia through Boston, Massachusetts) there are many. many people who are carrying guns. Unfortunately, it is 90% being the criminal element. Either using them in commiting crimes, shooting each other or innocent bystanders. It amazes me how many people are stopped for some small incident then the cops find them with a gun.

Brian,

Let's look again at jedimaster's original quote, "...normal people feel that the only way they can be safe is to carry guns with them." Unless you define it so that the "criminal element" is the normal people carrying guns in order to feel safe, I don't buy your argument.

Certainly, from my experiences in New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and New Hampshire (all placed where I have spent considerable time), I have not found many "normal people" who carry guns with them for safety, either legally or illegally. In almost the entire area you have mentioned, packing a concealed weapon without the propler permit is a felony, and those permits are not easy to obtain for most normal folks.

Billcat · 11-01-2007, 19:34

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

Okay, carry on! (I'm off to shoot something!

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Play nicely and don't hurt yourself, said the Sharpshooter, Bar 7.

LancYorkYankee · 11-01-2007, 19:40

Okay, I stand corrected as to my address. Most normal folk around here do not carry guns although conceal weapons permits are rather easy to obtain here in Virginia. Another interesting bit is that I believe any non-criminal in the State of Arizona can carry a weapon anywhere except for schoolds and bars! Willing to be corrected if I'm wrong!

Brian

Billcat · 11-01-2007, 19:44

Don't know what the situation is in Arizona. May be a god place to avoid. Well-meaning amateurs packing handguns worry me more than the criminal element. There are many members of the general public whose most dangerous weapon should be a butter knfe.

Billcat · 11-01-2007, 19:53

Checked the CNN website. If their info is correct, Arizona requires a permit to carry a handgun.

WillowTheWhisp · 11-01-2007, 20:28

Just wanted to point out that I'm not against people being reprimanded for breaking the law - just that the way this was done was a bit OTT

jedimaster · 12-01-2007, 00:38

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Just wanted to point out that I'm not against people being reprimanded for breaking the law - just that the way this was done was a bit OTT

now are you sure you haven' got your threads crossed here willow?

that sounds like a reply to the other thread about the college professor!

WillowTheWhisp · 12-01-2007, 08:30

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Originally Posted by jedimaster

now are you sure you haven' got your threads crossed here willow?

that sounds like a reply to the other thread about the college professor!

Yep - I was being pestered at the time

Billcat · 12-01-2007, 15:23

Looks like the post with the possible copyright infringement (former #60 in this string) has been deleted.

WillowTheWhisp · 14-01-2007, 16:23

What was that about then?

jedimaster · 14-01-2007, 16:28

he did a bit of whining to the mods
apparently one of me posts had a copyright thingy and cos i copied it instead of linking (is there much difference) it it was deleted
shame really that people must resort to underhand tactics instead of discussing like adults

jedimaster · 16-01-2007, 16:03

bet you thought id given up didn't you! lol

well i happened upon this article yesterday thought it might help illustrate my point a little.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,3...020296,00.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007020341,00.html

and this time i've linked the articles to avoid any niggles about me pasting them!

garinda · 16-01-2007, 16:16

The last time I went to the Ritz. nice though it was, it wasn't secured 24/7 by trained guards. Comparissons between prisons and hotels don't really equate.

Also Broadmoor is a secure hospital for the criminally insane, hardly your average nick.