A question for Mums - Page 2

Neil · 10-11-2006, 17:07

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Originally Posted by magpie

You can also for a small fee track your kids mobile, you can find more information on this via the net:

Yes you can but last time I looked it was not very accurate at all.

LancYorkYankee · 10-11-2006, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Shane.

I know I’m not qualified to say anything on this matter due to the fact that I’m not a mum but why can’t the parent wait with the child?

I think I’ve said enough so I’ll leave this for you mum’s to sort out.

Good point Shane. Why shouldn't guys/dads have a say in this Willow. Heck, I'm not even comfortable when my 17 year old daughter has to walk from her job as waitress to her car. This is a lighted, populated lot too. I'm constantly reminding her to always be aware of her surroundings and such.

Okay, now back to the Mums!

Hugs and Kisses,

Brian

WillowTheWhisp · 10-11-2006, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Shane.

I know I’m not qualified to say anything on this matter due to the fact that I’m not a mum but why can’t the parent wait with the child?

I think I’ve said enough so I’ll leave this for you mum’s to sort out.

It's not a case of why can't the parent wait with the child. If Busman wasn't working then he would happily take her there and bring her home anyway. I can't do that. I don't drive. But even as an adult I would not want to stand around on that corner in the dark alone.

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Originally Posted by CASPER

Ultimatly it must be the parents responsibility to ensure that she gets there and back safely.

That may be so, but in order to encourage the children to go if the parents can't take them then they say not to worry about transport because they'll pick the kids up in their mini bus. It's the Youth Club's idea.

All I am saying is that personally I do not think it's a particularly responsible idea to ask a 12 year old girl to stand alone on a dark corner out of sight of home at 7 o'clock at night.

garinda · 10-11-2006, 17:31

Who is running the youth club?

I'd have thought if they were offering lifts to twelve year olds they'd want to pick them up, either from home, or somewhere else that was safe.

As someone said earlier, someone ringing to speak to a twelve year old at ten o'clock on a school night, is also someone without much forethought.

WillowTheWhisp · 10-11-2006, 17:43

It's the Hope Centre in Ossy. I've been quite happy to let the girls go there because it's a church run group and they also run the "Edge Camp" thingy that Moorhead pupils go on in the summer. I'm beginning to wonder now if the camps are as responsibly run as I'd assumed they must be.

garinda · 10-11-2006, 17:47

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

It's the Hope Centre in Ossy. I've been quite happy to let the girls go there because it's a church run group and they also run the "Edge Camp" thingy that Moorhead pupils go on in the summer. I'm beginning to wonder now if the samps are as responsibly run as I'd assumed they must be.

Even if there were two young people waiting for a lift together, you'd have thought they could pick them up at one of their houses, rather than a dark street.

I'm shocked that they don't seem to think the safety of the young people in their care is that important.

Gayle · 10-11-2006, 17:56

Well first you have to consider at what point they are 'in their care'. From the moment they are picked up in the minibus or from the minute they leave their parents house?

Personally, I think it's from when they are collected and they remain in their parents care until that point.

Although I do agree that the pick up point doesn't sound a good one and discussion with the Hope Centre to find a better one is a good idea.

Neil · 10-11-2006, 17:57

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

But even as an adult I would not want to stand around on that corner in the dark alone.

Why not, are you worred that cars might slow down as they drove past?

WillowTheWhisp · 10-11-2006, 18:00

No, she's not in their care when she leaves the house. That's the whole point. I wouldn't expect her to be asked to wait alone in the dark on a corner out of sight of home. It's not a case of being in anyone's care. It's just not a sensible thing to do. I wouldn't even do it.

If you were going to take a child somewhere wouldn't you pick them up from home? I would.

garinda · 10-11-2006, 18:01

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Well first you have to consider at what point they are 'in their care'. From the moment they are picked up in the minibus or from the minute they leave their parents house?

Personally, I think it's from when they are collected and they remain in their parents care until that point.

Although I do agree that the pick up point doesn't sound a good one and discussion with the Hope Centre to find a better one is a good idea.

I think they are in their care from the moment they have to leave the house and wait on a dark street at a pickup point.

Perhaps they just haven't thought how dangerous this is. How many young people do they pick up locally? I'm sure Willow wouldn't mind her home being used as a pickup point for other local children too.

WillowTheWhisp · 10-11-2006, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Neil

Why not, are you worred that cars might slow down as they drove past?

What are you insinuating? There are dangers and as a parent I would hope you'd have enough sense to realise that.

SPUGGIE J · 10-11-2006, 19:15

At the end of the day any parent would be as worried as hell and as Slinks pointed out a teenage tantrum is better than something a lot worse. WE may let our kids have more freedom than most of us had but with that comes theresponsibility of being absolutely certain that they are safe. Being picked up and dropped off at the house may seem like a crime to them but parents (tut tut willow for calling it a question for mums

) are better seeing them get in and out of the transport for their own piece of mind. Me I would be worried even if they are at a youth club because unless they are locked in whats to stop them sneaking out?

Stick by your guns Willow. Hope your dughter understands your reasons for it.

Neil · 10-11-2006, 19:37

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

as a parent I would hope you'd have enough sense to realise that.

I certainly do have the sense Willow. I do however wonder what vetting you may have done regarding the Hope Centre. Just because it is church run, (who's church?) does not mean it is a safe place to be. The carpark and entrance way is very dark and rather off putting for a start. Are the people who run the activities vetting in the same way as teachers are in a school? I very much doubt it. These groups are run my members of the church and not neccesarily the same people each week either. Who else is present within the building while the children are there? There is only one male and one female toilet and the main door to the building is left unlocked while activities take place so anyone could wander in.

grego · 10-11-2006, 19:50

No, I wouldn't be happy with that either.

WillowTheWhisp · 10-11-2006, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Neil

I certainly do have the sense Willow. I do however wonder what vetting you may have done regarding the Hope Centre. Just because it is church run, (who's church?) does not mean it is a safe place to be. The carpark and entrance way is very dark and rather off putting for a start. Are the people who run the activities vetting in the same way as teachers are in a school? I very much doubt it. These groups are run my members of the church and not neccesarily the same people each week either. Who else is present within the building while the children are there? There is only one male and one female toilet and the main door to the building is left unlocked while activities take place so anyone could wander in.

I have actually been to the Hope Centre, to an "Edge Camp Reunion" and perhaps it's been naive of me to assume that because this Hope Centre group must have been vetted by the school due to running the Edge Camps and perhaps it's been naive of me to assume that because responsible adult looking type people were there at the reunion then they would also have responsible adults running the youth club, and perhaps because our church youth groups always do have several male and female responsible adults, the same people each week, and perhaps because the doors are always locked to keep strangers out whilst they are there perhaps that has also influenced my assumptions as to how this club is organised.

However, I am now beginning to wonder if the Edge Camps themselves are as well run as we have been led to believe if the youth club organsation may be as casual as you indicate.