A quick question - who wants to take away the legal guarantee protecting your rights

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by cashman

sorry claytonender, whilst i was a union man n official for more than 20 yrs, i am afraid i would need more substance than whats contained in the E-Mail, before putting me name to owt.

I understand your point of view and wasn't asking people to sign up just to express their feelings about the possibility of loosing the right to holiday pay etc.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by claytonender

I understand your point of view and wasn't asking people to sign up just to express their feelings about the possibility of loosing the right to holiday pay etc.

if i said i remember about the "Tolpuddle Martyrs" i guess you know my answer.

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by claytonender

parental leave, the right for parents to request working hours that fit in with 'school hours' , increased the length of maternity pay (and the time mothers can take off work), .

Is it any wonder why companies ship jobs offshore, most employers in the private sector want employees there when the business is open during regular hours , not the hours which suit the employees ..., the only folks who benefit from these sort of changes are Govt., local govt. and council employees who all work for places with a bottomless pit of money supply to supply the extra workers.
No way can I imagine my local bakehouse agreeing to allow the workers to start at 9a.m. instead of 6a.m. because there is no-one to take little 'Tiffany' to school .
If you have children its YOU and YOUR familys responsibility to take care and provide for them not societys .

[garinda]

I certainly believe some unions had too much power in the seventies, and were used as a blackmailing political tool, and a platform for militants to further their own agendas.

That aside, if you look back historically at the time before unions were formed, when workers were just a cheap, disposable commodity, I think the rights that many good people fought for, should be saved.

Message sent to David Cameron via the link.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by steeljack

No way can I imagine my local bakehouse agreeing to allow the workers to start at 9a.m. instead of 6a.m. because there is no-one to take little 'Tiffany' to school .

The amount of increased red tape, and new regulations, is strangling for many small businesses, especially new ones.

Theorising about what may seem a just and fair idea on paper, very often just isn't workable.

Sadly many theorists haven't left their desks long enough to understand this.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Whilst I agree with you that Labour have not overturned all the Tory legislation that is 'anti' working man, but they have introduced a National Minimum wage, parental leave, statutory entitlement to holiday pay, the right for parents to request working hours that fit in with 'school hours' , increased the length of maternity pay (and the time mothers can take off work), extra rights for agency workers.
These are just few of the improvements Labour have made.

So If you ran a small company would you agree to all that?

[Boeing Guy]

This is not a secret, it is on the Conservatives web site, just search Social Charter, its the 3rd on the list, George Osborne gave a speech stating this in April last year.
Having read 10 pages or so of the charter, you can find it on the Council of Europe website, it seems very fair and right. Just like the Human Rights Bill, which we are all happy about....
And as for Millionaire Dave, what about Millionaire Tony, Peter, and Gordon or William or George. Politicians are all the same these days, lining each others pockets

[Wynonie Harris]

Although I agree with rights and protection for ordinary working people, these should be decided by a sovereign UK government and not by a corrupt dictatorship in Brussels.

Interesting, though, that David Cameron is only talking about pulling out of the Social Chapter, though. The fact that he's not even considering the possibility of pulling out of the whole EU debacle casts doubt on the Tories' claims of Euroscepticism.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by cashman

thats utter rubbish n a cheap shot. still it don't surprise me.

My opinion on the day.....and your response does'nt surprise me.
Take a good long look at what the numpties in power are doing to the country at the moment. The days of Wilson and Thatcher have gone.
I ask again.....what about the goings on at the Post Office...Nationalation of the banks.....The state of the pound?

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by claytonender

I received this email from Unions together Today - your comments are very welcome

It may be difficult to believe but it's actually "family friendly" Dave Cameron.

The Tories have spent a lot of money telling us that they've changed. Millionaire Dave has gone to great lengths - cycling around town, waiting for his photo to be taken in Woolies and posing with a few Huskies in Norway. He's even shunned Waitrose and headed for Tesco at least once.

But Dave's plans to pull Britain out of the Social Chapter - the part of the law which guarantees fair treatment at work - reveals the truth behind all the slick marketing. He wants to roll your rights back by twenty years.

But we can stop him - sign our petition to protect your rights.

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

He may pretend to have our interests at heart, but the facts are clear. He wants to scrap the legal guarantee that gives us four weeks paid holiday, the right to be consulted about changes at work and our entitlement to parental leave - denying the legal right for parents to spend time with their newborn babies in the critical first few weeks. That's just three examples - but Cameron's threatening dozens more of your rights.

In fact, he's said that axing these legal guarantees is his "top priority."

It's something that he'll never say on TV or write in a leaflet but he's threatening all of these rights and more.

Sign our petition and send Cameron a message that your rights matter.

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

Dave may pretend to be everyone's new best friend but it's clear that he's faking it. It's not surprising really. After all, Millionaire Dave actively campaigned against the National Minimum Wage - when some people were earning just £1.20 an hour.

We need to send him a message and I want you to be one of the first to do it. Sign up to say that your rights matter -

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

No matter what the marketing says, it's clear that he's only interested in protecting big business rather than ordinary working people. Sign the petition and then invite your friends to do the same.

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

Thank you. Our rights are precious - we need your help to protect them.

Byron Taylor

Which union has this information come from, could you send me the email please.

[BERNADETTE]

I have also sent a message via the link, people fought long and hard to get decent working conditions. It is not that many years ago that I worked damn hard in not the greatest of conditions for a pittance of a wage. At least minimum wage goes some way to protect workers from unscrupulous employers.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Which union has this information come from, could you send me the email please.

According to the link Claytonender gave in her initial post 'Unions Together' is the campaigning group of 15 affiliated Trade Unions.

It does list them all on the site, and on the link below.

TULO’s member unions | Unions Together

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by claytonender

I received this email from Unions together Today - your comments are very welcome

It may be difficult to believe but it's actually "family friendly" Dave Cameron.

The Tories have spent a lot of money telling us that they've changed. Millionaire Dave has gone to great lengths - cycling around town, waiting for his photo to be taken in Woolies and posing with a few Huskies in Norway. He's even shunned Waitrose and headed for Tesco at least once.

But Dave's plans to pull Britain out of the Social Chapter - the part of the law which guarantees fair treatment at work - reveals the truth behind all the slick marketing. He wants to roll your rights back by twenty years.

But we can stop him - sign our petition to protect your rights.

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

He may pretend to have our interests at heart, but the facts are clear. He wants to scrap the legal guarantee that gives us four weeks paid holiday, the right to be consulted about changes at work and our entitlement to parental leave - denying the legal right for parents to spend time with their newborn babies in the critical first few weeks. That's just three examples - but Cameron's threatening dozens more of your rights.

In fact, he's said that axing these legal guarantees is his "top priority."

It's something that he'll never say on TV or write in a leaflet but he's threatening all of these rights and more.

Sign our petition and send Cameron a message that your rights matter.

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

Dave may pretend to be everyone's new best friend but it's clear that he's faking it. It's not surprising really. After all, Millionaire Dave actively campaigned against the National Minimum Wage - when some people were earning just £1.20 an hour.

We need to send him a message and I want you to be one of the first to do it. Sign up to say that your rights matter -

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

No matter what the marketing says, it's clear that he's only interested in protecting big business rather than ordinary working people. Sign the petition and then invite your friends to do the same.

Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

Thank you. Our rights are precious - we need your help to protect them.

Byron Taylor

I strongly agree with you on this point. However can you guarantee that David Cameron is going to specifically remove rights such as the 4 weeks holiday etc. or is it not just simply putting back decision making on these laws in the hands of the british government rather than Europe.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

I strongly agree with you on this point. However can you guarantee that David Cameron is going to specifically remove rights such as the 4 weeks holiday etc. or is it not just simply putting back decision making on these laws in the hands of the british government rather than Europe.

Don't we get 5 weeks minimum holiday now?

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by Neil

Don't we get 5 weeks minimum holiday now?

From April 1 2009 all employees are entitled to 5.6 weeks holidays (this is 28 days). Below is a link to a website that explains hoe to calculate your holiday entitlement. However your employer is legally obliged to give you time off for 4 weeks and you can agree to take the extra 8 days as an extra payment in lieu of taking the holidays.


Holiday entitlements: the basics : Directgov - Employment