A tax on lightbulbs.

[Madhatter]

dunno chav but there's a lack of air here today so i'm not paying. wish it would rain

[Neil]

Originally Posted by chav1

when does the tax on hot air come into effect

That will cost you millons

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Neil

Only pulling your leg Margaret. Those lamps are very popular, florescents are horrible looking things and have no place in your home. What we need is investment into cheap enviromentally friendly power sources so we can use as much electricity as we want. Stuff all this save and switch of rubbish, just make more and more green power for us all.

Yes Neil, I totally agree.....if the government were to fund grants to have solar panels put onto houses(just and example) I think they would be taken more seriously.
I read that it actually costs more to use recycled glass and paper than it does to make new from scratch...so the only saving is that the items do not go for landfill.

[Madhatter]

it costs more , but it's more friendly to the environment. ALL glass should be recycled, no exception, I do feel strongly about that and think people should be fined for throwing glass in the dustbin.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have been recycling newspaper since the 80's.....glass and tins...well i was taking those to the recycle point at Tesco when it first started.......now the council do the collections I recycle everything......have separate bins in the garage.
I refuse plastic bags most of the time, preferring to use cloth bags......will only accept a plastic bag if I have filled my cloth bags. Shop assistants do look at me like I am some kind of nutter......but hey, it doesn't matter what they think.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I read that it actually costs more to use recycled glass and paper than it does to make new from scratch...so the only saving is that the items do not go for landfill.

And we don't deplete natural resources to make more!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Gayle

And we don't deplete natural resources to make more!

Yes that is true but do we have any figures on when we would run out of glass etc.
I must admit that glass is the only thing we don't recycle. I informed HBC that when they provide a suitable container that my little ones can't get at and hurt/cut themselves with that I will recycle glass. Until then it goes in my big bin where they cant get at.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Gayle

And we don't deplete natural resources to make more!

but we still create greenhouse gases by using the recycled stuff.

It gets so compicated.....there was a story on TV that suggested that despite the fact that we think of trees as being good, and removing CO2.....that the trees are actually producing CO2 and adding to the greenhouse effect.
While I do agree that recycling has to be done.........I sometimes feel that we are bombarded with conflicting information that makes choices difficult.

It is the same with food....there will be a study that tells us we should eat more of one foodstuff as it will protect against Cancer, heart disease, whatever.....then a couple of weeks later a new survey will find that such and such is not healthy after all. I'm confused!

[Gayle]

I'm as confused as you are Margaret. I don't know enough about it to wade in most of the time.

All I kind of think is that you've got to do something as opposed to doing nothing - that's more or less why I recycle.

[Madhatter]

It takes more money to recycle but it takes more energy to produce new glass. Make a shelf above your bin to store the box on. I went to a house the other day and they did this, frame around the bin with a trellis door to hide it, green bin at the side of thatand a shelf above bove for the two boxes. very neet and no kids can get to them.

[entwisi]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

there was a story on TV that suggested that despite the fact that we think of trees as being good, and removing CO2.....that the trees are actually producing CO2 and adding to the greenhouse effect.
While I do agree that recycling has to be done.........I sometimes feel that we are bombarded with conflicting information that makes choices difficult.

If I remember my O level biology correctly, plants(and trees) remove CO2 and create O2 when they are in sunlight. When the light level drops below a set amount the process is reversed i.e. they use O2 and create CO2. This was the reason why they say its bad to keep plants in a bedroom.

[jambutty]

Good memory entwisi. However the overall effect is that they absorb more CO2 than they create.

Granted that we have to find some other way to dispose our rubbish other than in landfill but our current ways are not cost effective or even efficient. The only material that we should re-cycle is glass, metal and vegetable matter into compost, burn the rest.

The technology is available to burn everything, use the heat to either heat buildings or produce electricity and control the CO2 emissions. There is even a rig out at sea that is pumping CO2 underground.

But since when did the powers that be think a scheme through before implementing it?

[entwisi]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Good memory entwisi.

Cheeky monkey!

[andrewb]

The co2 is released again when the plant dies, so they only really remove it temporarily..