A Tax On Your Dustbin?

bullseyebarb · 08-10-2006, 18:44

According to stories in the Daily Mail and Daily Express, local authorities are secretly fitting bins with microchips. Bins will be weighed on collection and households charged according to the amount of waste generated. Apparently, there is an EU law mandating a reduction in landfill waste. If true, I can see the law of unintended consequences coming into play here, with people disposing of rubbish in other places.

Has Hyndburn chipped your bins yet?

entwisi · 08-10-2006, 18:48

Yep, ours 'had' a chip

If they introduce weighing of rubbish then it will become a free for all with people dumping bags in other peoples bins at the last minute.

chav1 · 08-10-2006, 19:04

if the council start getting on my case about rubbish it will be bomfire night every 2 weeks , i would rather burn it than sort it out into different tubs etc

anyway theres always fly tipping which i can see becoming more of a problem if councils dont stop geting more and more petty about rubbish

garinda · 08-10-2006, 19:45

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

According to stories in the Daily Mail and Daily Express, local authorities are secretly fitting bins with microchips. Bins will be weighed on collection and households charged according to the amount of waste generated. Apparently, there is an EU law mandating a reduction in landfill waste. If true, I can see the law of unintended consequences coming into play here, with people disposing of rubbish in other places.

Has Hyndburn chipped your bins yet?

Roy started a thread about the chipped bins in Hyndburn.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ews-24405.html

Neil · 08-10-2006, 20:20

According to Peter Britcliffe on the radio the other day Hyndburn will not be charging for waste.
I asked him this question last Thursday while having a meeting with him regarding Rhyddings Park. He said that HBC was against charging for rubbish as they think it would only encourage fly tipping. He even mentioned a thread on here about it

glasgow guy · 08-10-2006, 20:22

so what happens then..?
cos nearly everytime I have put my bin out someone else dumps their rubbish in it...
so that means I will be paying for someone elses rubbish ??..I would rather give my wheelie bin back and bag my rubbish and go to the tip in the car...and there is no law stating that every house hold must have a wheelie bin...

Neil · 08-10-2006, 21:07

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Originally Posted by glasgow guy

so what happens then..?

Sorry, did you miss my post above?
Hyndburn will not be charging for rubbish as they think it will cause more fly tipping.
Yes the bins are chipped but they will not be used for charging for waste. It would never work anyway. Like you said someone is putting there rubbish in your bin, that could never be stopped so charging will not work. Like I said to Peter Britcliffe, I could go round putting bricks in peoples bins I did not like so they would get charged more.

Its a silly idea jumped on by the media that is totally unworkable.

shillelagh · 08-10-2006, 21:19

It would be ok for the people who lived on their own or couples who didnt make that much rubbish but what about the ones who have kids and so from that a lot of rubbish. If they did start charging for rubbish then they would have to lower the council charge wouldnt they? Can you imagine if they tried to charge you for the rubbish and didnt lower the council tax - would be riots in hyndburn and anywhere else they brought it in. Makes sense not to charge - that way everyone is on a flat rate and pays the same.

Neil · 08-10-2006, 21:24

It is not really possible to charge for rubbish. I would just put my rubbish in your bin and you would get charged not me. How do you think they could prevent that? They can't really can they?

cashman · 08-10-2006, 22:27

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Originally Posted by entwisi

Yep, ours 'had' a chip

If they introduce weighing of rubbish then it will become a free for all with people dumping bags in other peoples bins at the last minute.

thats already happening ian, i put ours out late thurs night, checked to see if it was empty friday morning, the lid was up at 45 degrees due to a black bag that some little sh** had put in it. after it was empty i checked the bin and it had been chipped that morning, so i am posting a warning- little sh*** be very careful you wouldn,t like cashy when hes angry.

Madhatter · 09-10-2006, 02:00

I mentioned this waaaaaaaay back in march, and got ignored.

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

I've had a great idea, the best since i invented the unbirthday for the 364 days that it isn't your birthday.
It will revolutionise the way we throw our rubbish away.
All the wheelie bins, green bins and red boxes get a computer chip attached to them. the dustbin wagon and recycling lorry have scales attached to weigh each bin or box as its emptied. each chip is assigned to your address, and all the data gets sent to a central computer so that the council knows how much rubbish, how much green waste how many cans bottles etc you've recycled.

each area of the town gets split up into different teams. each quarter the team with the best recycling percentage is given a prize.

The chips cost about a quid each and the weighing machines about 1800 quid.
Now is that a mad idea or what

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

Well done busman, it's not actually my idea and is already very much reality in several areas of britain. And yes they have every intention of charging you for the amount of rubbish you throw away. They're going to have to, they're running out of placesto put it. One answer is to build incinerators around the country, but they're not very efficient not very nice, they stink, and they push out pollutants
They don't have enough places to deal with all the recycling that they want us to produce either. It's all very well recycling, but if it then ends up in an incinerator, whats the point

G jones even stated they were already chiped

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Originally Posted by g jones

When the scheme was set up they (LAB) opted for chipped bins and boxes. The difficulty is weighing them, though this idea was a future consideration when purchasing the chipped ones.

All that was before this government exposure, so really I exposed it all.

I wouldn't go pulling those chips out. They can charge you to replace it, and if you refuse you could get a fine. At the end of the day it's not your bin, it's there's and you have a responsibility while its in your care.

Our councils moto is govern yet obey. ye right.

steeljack · 09-10-2006, 03:13

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

It would be ok for the people who lived on their own or couples who didnt make that much rubbish but what about the ones who have kids and so from that a lot of rubbish. If they did start charging for rubbish then they would have to lower the council charge wouldnt they? Can you imagine if they tried to charge you for the rubbish and didnt lower the council tax - would be riots in hyndburn and anywhere else they brought it in. Makes sense not to charge - that way everyone is on a flat rate and pays the same.

sorry but I cannot agree with this argument that all should pay the same , why should single people without children have to subsidise couples who through there own choice decide to have children and therefore use more of the available resources, a single person uses less gas and electric than a family and therefore pays less,if people prefer to take a bath instead of a shower and use more water they should pay for it , if folks are too lazy to cook and produce more take-away wrappers and Pizza boxes they should have to pay for the disposal ( I've argued previously in other forums for increased taxes on 'fast food' for the street clean-up costs ) that being said ...I also think giving tax/rates (pensioners allowances)breaks to single occupiers of multi bedroom houses is wrong , there should be some way of making this accomodation available to young familys