Abortion limit....Rejected! - Page 2

emamum · 21-05-2008, 15:03

has anyone noticed the prolife advert at the top of the page?

BERNADETTE · 21-05-2008, 15:39

Personally I don't agree with abortion but can see that at times they are neccessary. I think the time limit should be lowered but the decision has been made not to.
What really puzzles me is why in this day and age we have so many unwanted pregnancies. For goodness sake birth control is free, so why don't people use it?

Before anybody has a go I know that sometimes birth control fails and that in the case of rape the woman might not have been using any. It just seems to me that some people are to lazy to go and get adequate protection

In the majority of cases a woman will know she is pregnant long before twenty four weeks and therefore the time limit won't matter because she will be sorted long before then!!!

Less · 21-05-2008, 16:05

Of course abortion should be considered as wrong, but only, if we lived in a perfect Society.

The people mainly caught short and pregnant are young girls that, if we all think back being heavily hormone driven have experimented and found it to be a costly mistake, what are their choices?

Force themselves and the bloke into marriage.

Become a single mother and an unwanted statistic.

Learn from their over-enthusiastic mistake, and be more careful in future.

Anyone of the above is not a good scenario, but change the law so that the, (possibly panicking girl, feeling alone and in a desperate state), goes to a back street abortionist, that has to be the worst choice to put any woman through.

I feel sure that any woman going through an induced termination, (a miscarriage I believe, is also classed as abortion, [search for a thread of Letties], a harsh choice of words!) would feel some regret but how much better is it that the girl goes somewhere that her welfare is made a priority?

katex · 21-05-2008, 16:54

Absolutely agree Less.

Would like to see a few statistics on this, have found some such as:-

88% of abortions in England and Wales were under 13 weeks.
Only 2% 23/24 weeks.
Scotland much higher for under 13 weeks.

These were 2005, sure if I googled more could find recent figures.

I suspect that the 2% were split into a few catagories, such as women who discovered they had some type of illness that could be life threatening if the pregnancy had proceeded/abnormal foetus, but some, I would think were young women who were too scared to admit to themselves that this is what was happening to them and tried to bury their heads in the sand before it became apparent. The two former assumptions would be my decision for keeping it at 24 weeks.

There have been quite a few cases of premature babies surviving this period, and the tales of the foetus being alive and then waiting until death occured are quite horrendous.

Think down to 22 weeks may have been sensible, apart from that, have not objection to abortion.

emamum · 21-05-2008, 17:04

If an abortion goes wrong and the baby is born alive what happens to them?

katex · 21-05-2008, 17:12

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Originally Posted by emamum23

If an abortion goes wrong and the baby is born alive what happens to them?

From what I have heard in discussions today, Emamum, the paediatrician (only one who can instruct this)/nurses are not allowed to do anything... just let it go, chances are that success rate would be very low anyway.

MUMMIBOO · 21-05-2008, 17:19

Oh dear its one of those threads where nobody is right or everyone is right in there own opinion! I think they should drop the deadline of abortions but not stop them. It has been said that a baby can feel pain at 24 weeks (maybe less). I think there are very few people who dont know they are pregnant well before this time, if you are the victim of rape wouldnt you take the after pill? at the time you are getting tested for any infections you cold have caught. If you dont want children and you have unprotected sex them you must use contraceptives there is no excuse they are free! and if you go unprotected then like i said the morning after pill is always available.

If people were educated to the max there would be less chance of unwanted pregnancys.

Less · 21-05-2008, 17:20

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Originally Posted by emamum23

If an abortion goes wrong and the baby is born alive what happens to them?

Most likely it will die, but as I've already mentioned, this isn't a perfect world!

You obviously seem against abortion, fair enough, but your beliefs and that of others like you should not be allowed to force one terrified young lady into the butchery that used to be performed by back street abortionists.

If you believe it to be wrong, then your choice is not to have one, if someone else considers it to be necessary, then your beliefs shouldn't force her into the hands of criminals!

Please feel free not to have an abortion that is your right, but the poor unfortunate female forced by circumstances doesn't need your added weight pushed onto their own guilt!

katex · 21-05-2008, 17:28

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Originally Posted by MUMMIBOO

if you are the victim of rape wouldnt you take the after pill? at the time you are getting tested for any infections you cold have caught.

I suspect that lots of rape victims are advised and do take the after morning pill Mummiboo.
There again, lots of rape victims sometimes are too ashamed to go to the authorities until it is too late for this facility.

Tealeaf · 21-05-2008, 17:29

What did Greg vote for? He's a good catholic boy - did he abstain? Was he under the party whip? Will he answer?

Less · 21-05-2008, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

What did Greg vote for? He's a good catholic boy - did he abstain? Was he under the party whip? Will he answer?

I think there is a good chance he will answer, Tealeaf, he told us how he voted in this one:-
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...yos-39553.html

cashman · 21-05-2008, 17:36

Twas a free vote, no party whip T, far as i'm aware, he came online n stated how he voted in the first2.

katex · 21-05-2008, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

What did Greg vote for? He's a good catholic boy - did he abstain? Was he under the party whip? Will he answer?

He voted 'Aye' tealeaf, which I presume meant 'Yes' to lower it.

flashy · 21-05-2008, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Less

(a miscarriage I believe, is also classed as abortion, [search for a thread of Letties], a harsh choice of words!)

your quite right Less, i had a threatened miscarriage when i was 8 weeks pregnant with Reece, some years later i was at the doctors with Reece and i was looking at my notes on the computer screen and it said 'threatened abortion at 8 weeks' i was mortified to read that and i mentioned it to my doctor and he said 'no it doesnt mean you threatened to have an abortion it simply means you had a threatened miscarriage'

andrewb · 21-05-2008, 18:22

Greg Pope voted to reduce it to 20 weeks and then 22 weeks.