Abortion limit....Rejected! - Page 6

Eric · 22-05-2008, 17:34

I can understand that the religious would be opposed to abortion, altho St. Thomas Aquinas writing on in utero baptism was of the opinion that a foetus was not human, did not have a soul, until it entered the world. What troubles me is that politicians to the right of the political spectrum are the ones that seem opposed to a woman's right of access to a safe medical procedure. This is a divisive issue; but it concerns me that it divides along political lines .... and that those who oppose abortion are also the ones who oppose gay marriage, publically funded health care, a social safety net etc. Not surprising that on this continent women tend to vote for parties in the center, or to the left of center. The Republican party in the States is constantly making noises about restricting a woman's right to abortion, or taking it away completely, even tho it is obvious that a woman's rights are guaranteed under both the ninth and the fourteenth ammendments to the constitution. What also troubles me is that the politicians who claim that the sanctity of human life is paramount, are also those who would go to war at the drop of a helmet, and the one's who gut social programs that would help a single mother if she chooses to take her pregnancy to term. Maybe it is time for politicans to butt out and let the decision be made by the woman and her doctor. Every case is unique, and should be dealth with as such by the ones concerned.

katex · 22-05-2008, 18:27

Think we have lost sight of what this thread was about .. not the question of abortion, but the limit of weeks it should be allowed.

Eric · 22-05-2008, 19:12

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Originally Posted by katex

Think we have lost sight of what this thread was about .. not the question of abortion, but the limit of weeks it should be allowed.

Maybe not ... maybe those who seek a lower limit are the ones that would like to limit it to "under no circumstances." And these are probably the same ones who oppose support for single mothers. I suppose one could call them the "Serves the slut right" brigade. I do see a bias against women ... I don't think anyone has seen fit to mention the male part of the equation; the burden seems to be placed on the female. Not much equality of treatment here.

West Ender · 22-05-2008, 19:15

I am anti-abortion on principle but I will not get into a pro/con discussion here. The point at issue is the lowering of foetal age to 22 weeks and what worries me is the question of whether a foetus can feel pain. As a baby (note the different terminology when it's a wanted pregnancy) born at 24 weeks gestation can survive, with luck and good nursing, I assume it must be able to feel pain. The same child, while still in the womb, must also feel the same pain as its sensors are at a similar stage of development. Is it right to inflict pain on, not to say kill, a viable child?

katex · 22-05-2008, 19:17

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Originally Posted by Eric

... I don't think anyone has seen fit to mention the male part of the equation; the burden seems to be placed on the female. Not much equality of treatment here.

Excuse me sir !! I did actually mention the 'male part of the equation' even suggesting that sexual rights should be withdrawn for a while (not quite sure how this could be achieved though ...

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Royboy39 · 22-05-2008, 19:21

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Originally Posted by katex

Excuse me sir !! I did actually mention the 'male part of the equation' even suggesting that sexual rights should be withdrawn for a while (not quite sure how this could be achieved though ...

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My mother used to tell me to tie a knot it...........I tried but alas>

katex · 22-05-2008, 19:24

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My mother used to tell me to tie a knot it...........I tried but alas>

In other words, failed miserably Royboy.. endorses my point at the highest level ..

Eric · 22-05-2008, 19:25

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Originally Posted by katex

Excuse me sir !! I did actually mention the 'male part of the equation' even suggesting that sexual rights should be withdrawn for a while (not quite sure how this could be achieved though ...

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Sorry ... must have missed it ....

Eric · 22-05-2008, 19:27

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Originally Posted by katex

In other words, failed miserably Royboy.. endorses my point at the highest level ..

The highest level would be the brain ... I think we are talking about a lower level ... Unfortunately this lower "thing" has a way of bypassing the higher functions, as in "he thinks with his ..."

Royboy39 · 22-05-2008, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Eric

The highest level would be the brain ... I think we are talking about a lower level ... Unfortunately this lower "thing" has a way of bypassing the higher functions, as in "he thinks with his ..."

You speak for yourself......or is that what you have just done?

katex · 22-05-2008, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Eric

Sorry ... must have missed it ....

Ah, well Eric ... at the end of the day .. seems to be the end of the matter for now as regards the law.

In conclusion, as expressed by some of our members here, we have to keep plugging at more education as to birth control .. but how much more can we give ? As Less says will always be the young people who are caught on the hop through experiment, etc., so let's give them our full support.

katex · 22-05-2008, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Eric

The highest level would be the brain ... I think we are talking about a lower level ... Unfortunately this lower "thing" has a way of bypassing the higher functions, as in "he thinks with his ..."

Of course Eric ... sooner the sexes realise that male/female have completely different characteristics the better, and not try to change them to our way of thinking. This could indeed be the first step to avoiding pregnancy.

Eric · 22-05-2008, 20:03

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Originally Posted by katex

Of course Eric ... sooner the sexes realise that male/female have completely different characteristics the better, and not try to change them to our way of thinking. This could indeed be the first step to avoiding pregnancy.

As long as we take those different characteristics as not only those which are hard wired in the brain but also those which result from socialization and socio-economic status I would have to agree. For example, it is not surprizing to anyone who gives it some thought that the highest incidence of "unwanted" or "unplanned" pregnancy in Canada is among First Nations people, particularly those on reserves. Whatever, you make a lot of sense; even tho I don't agree completely; however, 100% agreement is so very rare

katex · 22-05-2008, 20:12

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100% agreement is so very rare

Would never require a male to agree 100% with me ... how boring ..

My final words .. love to all the ladies who have had to go through an abortion at whatever stage of pregnancy . xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

slinky · 22-05-2008, 20:47

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Originally Posted by katex

Ah, well Eric ... at the end of the day .. seems to be the end of the matter for now as regards the law.

In conclusion, as expressed by some of our members here, we have to keep plugging at more education as to birth control .. but how much more can we give ? As Less says will always be the young people who are caught on the hop through experiment, etc., so let's give them our full support.

It is not always young people that get caught kate!! ....... I know a women of 42 years old that got caught Pregnant, totally unplanned. She had a termination, and I was there to listen to her every step of the way. I was the second person to know that she was pregnant, and still to this day there is only 3 people that know, and that includes her Husband and son.

I listened to her reasons of why it would not be possible for her to carry on the pregnancy, and I watched her agonise over it for 2 weeks. And, I was there for weeks after when she just wanted to get things off her chest. She had her reasons, same as everyone else that goes through it.

I do not agree with abortions, when I say I, I mean for me...... I don't ever want more children ( hence Gingers vasectomy ) but if it happened, I could not have an abortion. BUT, what other people do is their own Business, and as long as they are not hurting mine!! get on with it.