Accrington is 8th - Page 3

Margaret Pilkington · 11-01-2019, 20:39

And you think that Accrington is the only place that this is happening?
There is crime happening in many small towns and villages.
Maybe you will come back with it being down to cuts in services....but much of it is down to how lacking some people are in moral fibre and ethics.
They see something, they want it(but don't want to work for it) so they steal.
People get hooked on drugs....cannot fund their habit, so steal in order to pay for their jollies.
There is no respect for people or their property....and that must have something to do with how parents instil values (or don't instil values) in their children.
Pull your head in and start looking around at other places!

Chris Cross · 12-01-2019, 14:09

I live in Accrington, and this forum is for content relevant to its community Margaret.

The wide range of recent cuts in public services are all contributory factors, but its policing and the judiciary that deal with violent crime. Whatever your stance you'll likely be seeing its effects more if the Government succeed in passing this Bill: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46847162

As for telling me to pull my head in.. Sorry I don't take requests from Party drum bangers.

Margaret Pilkington · 12-01-2019, 14:51

I am not a party drum banger.(I have no political affiliation)

I live in this area too and have lived here for all of my life. There are better places to live...but there are also worse places to live.(you only have to read of the gang warfare in areas of London to see that)

I think most of us who post on here are capable of reading about the sad and bad things that happen in our locality without your links.

Yes of course service cuts are a contributory factor....as are the lax judicial responses.

It is not something that has a single causal factor...there are many societal factors involved and addressing one without doing anything about the others is where actions fail.

I know about this bill....and yes, of course this is going to have an effect....the whole issues of how offenders are dealt with needs a radical overhaul.
I cannot see it happening.( the overhaul that is...the government bill will, I am sure, go ahead)

Chris Cross · 18-01-2019, 13:59

Violent crime figures here jumped up 65% in 2018. Thats not down to a sudden collapse in morals, its targeted crime. One more for the list:
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...enden-robbery/

cashman · 18-01-2019, 14:00

yeh spout a lot of crap as far as i'm concerned

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2019, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Chris Cross

Violent crime figures here jumped up 65% in 2018. Thats not down to a sudden collapse in morals, its targeted crime. One more for the list:
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...enden-robbery/

It depends greatly how crimes are reported and logged by the police.
I am sure that you have heard of the saying 'there are lies, damned lies and statistics'
If one year just one person is a victim of violent crime....the following year there are two....that is a rise of 100%....sounds awful doesn't it?
Of course ANY crime is reprehensible....because it means that an innocent member of society has been made a victim.
The collapse in morals is not sudden....it has been happening for decades.
There has been nothing done to stop it.

Some of it has to be down to lack of discipline by parents....and then how the offenders are dealt with is another facet of the problems.
There is very little to deter offenders.

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2019, 15:29

It is not only in Accrington...it is happening in many towns and villages...it is being perpetrated by those who need money to feed their drug habits, rather than filling their bellies.
Much of the crime in this country is fuelled by the drug culture.
This is something else that has not been addressed.

Poverty is not always the driver of crime.
I grew up in times of poverty...real poverty...the kind of poverty where there was nothing in the pantry.
What I can tell you is that we did not rob from others....our morals and ethics were what stopped us...we did not want to be shamed....but these days there is no shame in anything.

some people have no pride in themselves....they see, they want, they take....and they see nothing wrong in what they are doing.

RainbowSix · 18-01-2019, 18:39

Re your last line Margaret, I see that often and not just in Accrington but all over.

No pride in themselves or what they do, any issues - problems or they are in the wrong and violence is always top of their agenda.

I put it down to living near to Burnley myself- that's enough to make anyone violent.

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2019, 18:59

I know I will be shouted down on this, but I am convinced that violent video games have something to do with violent actions in everyday life.
Seeing violence, whether that be in video games, or violent films normalises violence...it inures those who are exposed to it.

When I was growing up we played cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians....using our hands to simulate guns...role playing shooting arrows.
But our play did not result in graphic visual images of blood, guts and gore.
In real life, you only have one life.
You cannot have seven shades of sand beaten out of you, die and then use up another life.

cashman · 18-01-2019, 19:45

Dont think that helps at all Margaret, meself i put the majority of it down to crap Parents, owt for an easy life with many, i couldn't careless if i'm shouted down fer that. its what i honestly think,

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2019, 20:15

Yes, I am sure that a lack of parenting skills has an impact.
But I firmly believe that video games and violent films do have some bearing on the way villains act.

No pride, no shame, no morals.
When the 73 year old was confronted by men wielding an iron bar....did those men stop to think how they would feel if it was their mum, grandma, sister, auntie being threatened.
If they had thought....would it have changed their behaviour?

cashman · 18-01-2019, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes, I am sure that a lack of parenting skills has an impact.
But I firmly believe that video games and violent films do have some bearing on the way villains act.

No pride, no shame, no morals.
When the 73 year old was confronted by men wielding an iron bar....did those men stop to think how they would feel if it was their mum, grandma, sister, auntie being threatened.
If they had thought....would it have changed their behaviour?

Probably Junkies? they care about the next hit, nothing else.

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2019, 21:03

Yes, maybe you are right.
Cannot expect finer feelings from those whose brains have been fried by the use of drugs.

Less · 18-01-2019, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

When the 73 year old was confronted by men wielding an iron bar....did those men stop to think how they would feel if it was their mum, grandma, sister, auntie being threatened.
If they had thought....would it have changed their behaviour?

They probably practised on their mum, grandma, sister, auntie, then moved onto strangers when the first form of easy money ran out.

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2019, 21:42

That is a truly horrible thought Less.
When I read of things like this happening to elderly people...I think of how I would feel if it had happened to my Ma....and it gets me incensed that these thugs are treated so leniently by the justice system.
I would have them on bread and water and breaking rocks....what do they get?
Suspended sentences and community orders.