Accrington is Dead! - Page 3

Margaret Pilkington · 19-06-2018, 09:33

So now Lord Hague has thrown his hat into the ring and made the suggestion that cannabis should be legalised....that the drug war is lost.

The drug war is not lost, it has been surrendered by an unwilling police force.
A law is only as good as the policing of it. A toothless law is a useless law.
If it is not actively and vigorously policed then it just might as well not be there at all.

What other illegal practices are going to be ditched because the police have neither the time nor the inclination to pursue those who are breaking the law?
Is the legalisation of a psychoactive drug just a way for governments to extract another level of tax from users?
Will this pay for enough care needs to deal with the mental health issues (well recognised and documented) that users may suffer from?

cashman · 19-06-2018, 10:55

Hague has demonstrated what has always been my opinion of the man, A Complete Pillock. In fact he could well be related to one of our members imho.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-06-2018, 11:37

It seems that what he is advocating is taking the line of least resistance....doing nothing.

The Police are too busy....doing what? Wearing politically correct rainbow epaulettes, doing a Ramadan fast, all these antics devalue our opinions of the police and the work they do.

Not pursuing drug dealers is a crazy move.

Restless · 26-06-2018, 06:07

did somone poke kx with a stick recently?

Its all be said and done. Whos, Whats and the Whys. Its been flogged to death like a rabid dog....

Margaret Pilkington · 26-06-2018, 06:54

Yes, it has but Kx is ever the opportunist.
Ready to take the cause he shouts for and tag it onto a valid case for the MEDICAL use of what is a mind altering drug.
It is useful for this type of epilepsy purely because it IS a mind altering drug....except in this instance it repairs a damaged mind(albeit temporarily) rather than damaging a normal mind when used by a healthy (brainwise) individual.
He will never subscribe to these facts though....so expect it to come up again and again....like a dandelion, except less pretty.

cashman · 26-06-2018, 06:55

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Originally Posted by Restless

did somone poke kx with a stick recently?

Its all be said and done. Whos, Whats and the Whys. Its been flogged to death like a rabid dog....

make allowances probably just come out of his latest stupor.

kestrelx · 17-09-2018, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Restless

did somone poke kx with a stick recently?

Its all be said and done. Whos, Whats and the Whys. Its been flogged to death like a rabid dog....

No I don't have rabies! It's just that it's been in the news a lot of late.

I'm not sure it should be legalized recreationally, but there is lot of people taking these other drugs like spice - former so called "legal highs" - that are much more dangerous and turn people into like zombies - but nothing is legal now they are illegal because they changed the law in 2016 - but it's a hard situation really - better the devil you know than the one you don't?

dotti34 · 18-09-2018, 01:52

You could try putting the devil behind you...

cashman · 18-09-2018, 08:27

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Originally Posted by dotti34

You could try putting the devil behind you...

Little chance Dot, thats common sense.

Margaret Pilkington · 18-09-2018, 08:48

This latest post from Kestrelx has some valid points in it....so why do I feel he is being disingenuous.....or no, let us call it what it is....lying.
The true bits are about the use of the so called 'legal' highs.
It is so sad to see young people in the grip of this powerful chemical.
However, it begs the question as to how they got there....and I would bet a pound to a penny that ALL of them started out smoking cannabis.

The other reason why I think Kestrelx is telling porkies is....for so long he banged on about the recreational use of cannabis....how it should be legalised, how it was acceptable, how it was no more harmful than alcohol....in fact if my memory serves me rightly....he tried to tell us it was far less harmful than alcohol.

Now, I am not saying that alcohol, tobacco, caffeine or any other chemical habit is blameless....but what I am saying is that the use of these recreational activities does lead down the path to the use of dangerous drugs.

So this about turn from the poster is to be treated with some scepticism.

Margaret Pilkington · 18-09-2018, 09:05

The last sentence in my post should read ' dies NOT lead down the path to the use of dangerous drugs'.

kestrelx · 19-09-2018, 12:42

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Originally Posted by dotti34

You could try putting the devil behind you...

Is that what you say when you spill the salt?

kestrelx · 19-09-2018, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

This latest post from Kestrelx has some valid points in it....so why do I feel he is being disingenuous.....or no, let us call it what it is....lying.
The true bits are about the use of the so called 'legal' highs.
It is so sad to see young people in the grip of this powerful chemical.
However, it begs the question as to how they got there....and I would bet a pound to a penny that ALL of them started out smoking cannabis.

The other reason why I think Kestrelx is telling porkies is....for so long he banged on about the recreational use of cannabis....how it should be legalised, how it was acceptable, how it was no more harmful than alcohol....in fact if my memory serves me rightly....he tried to tell us it was far less harmful than alcohol.

Now, I am not saying that alcohol, tobacco, caffeine or any other chemical habit is blameless....but what I am saying is that the use of these recreational activities does lead down the path to the use of dangerous drugs.

So this about turn from the poster is to be treated with some scepticism.

I don't smoke tobacco, or cannabis. Alcohol is also very bad drug - you can buy liter whiskey or vodka, drink a lot of it and get in the same state as heavy drugs, but legally. I gave up on alcohol as well.

There was a program last year called "Gone to Pot" with various celebs travelling round USA looking into Cannabis.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...tcher-11516602

Two who you wouldn't have thought, said that perhaps it should be made legal - but the one thing they all said that was bad about it is that it's hard to gauge how strong it is and one person may react differently to another from the same dose.

I don't know if we should legalise it anymore - there are lot of questions.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-09-2018, 13:27

I did see that program....it did not impress me....or change my thoughts on the use of this substance.

Yes, you can buy alcohol and get off your face on it.....and some people do it.
It has a lot to answer for...but it has been available since the dawn of time.
It has been used and misused during that time.
In the US it was made illegal for a period of time.
It did not stop its' use.
Tobacco and alcohol are very large revenue generators for government coffers....so they will not bring in measures to curb the use.

Drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco does not(in the main) lead to the use of hard drugs.

Legalising these substances will not limit their use....the government would very likely tax it and this would still leave a market for illegal stuff.

kestrelx · 19-09-2018, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I did see that program....it did not impress me....or change my thoughts on the use of this substance.

Yes, you can buy alcohol and get off your face on it.....and some people do it.
It has a lot to answer for...but it has been available since the dawn of time.
It has been used and misused during that time.
In the US it was made illegal for a period of time.
It did not stop its' use.
Tobacco and alcohol are very large revenue generators for government coffers....so they will not bring in measures to curb the use.

Drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco does not(in the main) lead to the use of hard drugs.

Legalising these substances will not limit their use....the government would very likely tax it and this would still leave a market for illegal stuff.

Cannabis has been around since the dawn of time. Yes alcohol was made illegal in the USA but people then started drinking bootlegged drink and the same thing happened - that a lot of people died.

I would argue that smoking does lead for some to smoke other drugs and get onto harder drugs as does alcohol. But it's the addictive personality that gets into other drugs.

There is still illegal market for alcohol and tobacco.