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[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

I take it you haven't ever travelled much further than Fielding Lane?

There are plenty of tattooed, knuckle scraping, rugby playing, gay men, who wouldn't know a scatter cushion if you hit him on the head with it.

Just as there are many totally straight, weak little men, who love nothing better than shopping with their wives for just the right shade of lilac potpourri.

Ya Ken Pilling the manager at the Merchants in Blackburn were no wall flower Rindi

[garinda]

Originally Posted by steve2qec

I'm not so sure, I think any behaviour can be influenced.

Your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Personally, when I don't have the foggiest idea about something, the politics of the Middle East, long division, the life cycle of the May fly, I tend to keep my opinions to myself.

Keeping my gob firmly shut means I don't risk looking like an idiot in public.

[steve2qec]

Originally Posted by garinda

Your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Personally, when I don't have the foggiest idea about something, the politics of the Middle East, long division, the life cycle of the May fly, I tend to keep my opinions to myself.

Keeping my gob firmly shut means I don't risk looking like an idiot in public.

Just adding my four penneth - we'll agree to disagree then...

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Personally, when I don't have the foggiest idea about something, the politics of the Middle East, long division, the life cycle of the May fly, I tend to keep my opinions to myself.

Keeping my gob firmly shut means I don't risk looking like an idiot in public.

So what age were you, when you made the conscious choice as to whether you were going to be attracted to males, or females?

It's interesting.

Most people already know. Almost as if it's built in to who you are as a person.

You're in a minority, having a choice.

Men, or women.

Most people already know, and have no choice..

Perhaps it's just bisexuals who get to decide.

[garinda]

What I've found out, on life's long journey, is that most totally straight men couldn't give a toss about gay men.

Confident as they are in their own sexuality, and certainly not threatened by it, and who secretly think 'good, more women for me!'

It's usually the ones who jump up and down, shouting about it not being 'normal', who usually have a deep seated desire to bend over, and take it like a beach.

[steve2qec]

Originally Posted by garinda

So what age were you, when you made the conscious choice as to whether you were going to be attracted to males, or females?

It's interesting.

Most people already know. Almost as if it's built in to who you are as a person.

You're in a minority, having a choice.

Men, or women.

Most people already know, and have no choice..

Perhaps it's just bisexuals who get to decide.

There must be some cases, however small a percentage, where outside influences have a bearing on whether someone's gay or not. But as you say I'm no expert.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by steve2qec

There must be some cases, however small a percentage, where outside influences have a bearing on whether someone's gay or not. But as you say I'm no expert.

Perhaps there is.

Those born 50/50 bisexual.

They'll get a choice.

You never told us.

At what age did you decide on the gender you were going to be attracted to?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by steve2qec

I'm no expert.

What, on biology?

Fair enough.

As I said, on subjects I know nowt about I tend to keep my gob shut, and not spout a whole load of crap, so as not to appear like an idiot.

[walkinman221]

I think you dont make a conscious decision to fancy men or women it just happens , putting dresses on boys doesnt make them gay as the saying goes just because you were born in a stable does not make you a horse.i also think just because childrens parents are same sex it wont make their kids gay, they either are already or not , i can say from knowing a same sex couple who have brought up a son he is 100% hetro and he lived with his dad and his partner from being about 2 years old.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by steve2qec

as gay as a lord.

Which Lord?

Nelson, our greatest navel hero?

Archer, prossy visiting politican?

Byron, 'bad, mad, and dangerous to know', from whom no gentleman's daughter was safe from?

Lord Alan Sugar?

As you weren't specific enough....you're fired.

[steve2qec]

Originally Posted by garinda

What, on biology?

Fair enough.

As I said, on subjects I know nowt about I tend to keep my gob shut, and not spout a whole load of crap, so as not to appear like an idiot.

Mmm, maybe "idiot" and "crap" is bit strong a words. My first post on the subject put forward the suggestion that being brought up by a same sex couple might have a bearing future sexual orientation. I saw it more as adding fuel to the debate rather than having any scientific basis.

[steve2qec]

Originally Posted by garinda

Which Lord?

Nelson, our greatest navel hero?

Archer, prossy visiting politican?

Byron, 'bad, mad, and dangerous to know', from whom no gentleman's daughter was safe from?

Lord Alan Sugar?

As you weren't specific enough....you're fired.

I was just "painting a picture" with that phrase - thought it was as good as any.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by steve2qec

Mmm, maybe "idiot" and "crap" is bit strong a words. My first post on the subject put forward the suggestion that being brought up by a same sex couple might have a bearing future sexual orientation. I saw it more as adding fuel to the debate rather than having any scientific basis.

I was refering to myself, you silly billy.

Calm down. You'll give yourself a queer turn.

I said 'I' tend to keep my gob shut, when ill informed, so as not to talk crap, and risk looking a right idiot in public.



As for your claim, it was answered by the facts in the earlier post, that gay children grow up with heterosexual parents, but don't ape their sexual orientation.

Thus proving, as science agrees with, that sexual orientation is genetically preordained.

Unless you know different, and made a conscious choice.

[walkinman221]

Originally Posted by steve2qec

Mmm, maybe "idiot" and "crap" is bit strong a words. My first post on the subject put forward the suggestion that being brought up by a same sex couple might have a bearing future sexual orientation. I saw it more as adding fuel to the debate rather than having any scientific basis.

But surely your statement has to be based on something if not science then what, sexual orientation is 100% nature, nurture may have influence on some things like treatment of women (domestic violence etc ) where children see physical abuse everyday as "normal" but sexual orientation is a chemical thing not a reaction borne from conditioning through exposure.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by jaysay

That is barmy steve, people don't choose to be gay, its not a lifestyle choice, that is how they are born, end of story

Agreed ... spot on, and succinct ... but as this won't put a stop to this redundant thread, I will add my two cents worth: I wonder what Sarah Palin's take is on all this

Although homophobia is nonesense, and should be right up there with racism and flat earth theories as something that should have withered on the vine years ago, we still have gay bashers and rascists I can see no reason (as in "rational") why this should be so ... nor can I see any reason why those who vote for a particular type of political party ... the more righter, the more bigoteder ... or practice a certain type of religion (usually extreme), or live in a certain part of the world (Middle America) should be more likely to be homophobic than folks from Montreal. I think Garinda is right; some folks is just born thick as ten short planks.