Alcohol yobs - what is the answer? - Page 2

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2008, 14:15

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Originally Posted by blazey

Dont send them to university then, the majority of my lecturers 'eff and jeff'. One of my lecturers says bollocks alot. Good for making me pay attention.

I think it is very sad that these so called educated people feel the need to resort to gutter language....and I would certainly have to object.

Maybe the lecturers think that this way of using bad language will endear them to their students.....or maybe they think it is alright as it is part of the youth culture.

Using swear words all the time means that when you really want to grab attention or vent some spleen you have nothing left to use.

Bonnyboy · 18-01-2008, 14:17

My Comments from a previous post - I'm still of the same mind

In my opinion, there’s a raft of issues that would have to be dealt with in order to slow down the occurrence of violent crime.
There seems , in general terms, to be less respect for authority these days.
I know myself that I was far less strict with my daughter’s upbringing than my parents were with me. I’m sure my parents were less strict with me than their parents were with them and so down the line. So in some respects we, the parents, have to hold our hands up.
Schooling is far different these days, far more freedom to express yourself and if you overstep the mark there seems to be little in the way of punishment. It needs addressing.
Policing, what’s happened to that ? I would like to see the police back on the beat. Police boxes back on the streets. The police should know their territory, the individuals who are troublesome. Have a word with the child who is stealing from the corner shop, nip it in the bud. Small crimes lead to larger crimes.
Prison should be feared again. Human rights must be forgone in prison. Prisons are overcrowded because prisoners have a lifestyle akin to that of being at home and in some instances better than that of many law abiding citizens. How many prisoners do you think will die this winter because of hypothermia?? Feed them, water them, allow them to wash and have them breaking rocks in a yard for 12 hours.
The media must change. Do we need all this up to the minute crime reporting. I don’t think it always serves us well.
So called pop artist/rap artists whatever they are, they shouldn’t be allowed to lyricise about beating their women or gang feuds. Similar rules must be made for the makers of films, TV programmes, Playstation type games and so on.
Kids are impressionable, always have been, always will be.
Those are just a few ideas I had kicking around in my head. I’m sure there are a lot of other issues that require attention.

Margaret Pilkington · 18-01-2008, 14:32

I have said in other previous posts that there is a distinct lack or respect......and not necessarily from just children and teens.
Respect HAS to be taught from the earliest age a child can understand......respect for people, respect for animals, respect for property....their own and other peoples......and most of all pride and respect in themselves.
You have to ask 'Why do children....Teens, want to get out of their heads on either alcohol or drugs'....and let's face it some children can get hold of drugs as cheaply as any alcohol and there is no-one watching the sales of such substances.
Any shop or off licence that is found to be selling alcohol to underage children should be closed down...any adult who buys alcohol for underage drinkers should be heavily fined.

Children and young adults who are found guilty of crimes of violence should be consigned to something like a 'boot camp'...where privleges are withdrawn until they have been earned.
The judiciary should be made to uphold a better framework of sentencing....and the Government should stop meddling with the work of the magistrates and judges....if there are not enough prisons to hold the perpetrators of violent crimes then perhaps we should have some prison ships to hold these violent people...they could be far enough off shore for them to be able to swim ashore.
I'm sure a lot of these young men(and women) would be far less aggressive without their mates and gang cohorts behind them.

cashman · 18-01-2008, 15:18

there used to be " Boot Camp" equivalants Detention Centres, what happened to them?

Speedy · 18-01-2008, 15:50

I think that instead of asbos anyone doing anti-social behaviour should be sent to an army style training camp, teach them some respect for themselves and others around them, also while they are there teach them a trade so that when they do come back they have something worthwhlle to do. I understand this story from both sides as when i was younger i used to spend my weekends in darwen with a 'gang', which at the time seemed like the most fun in the world, but looking back at it now some of the things that happened where just stupid, and i really do regret a lot of it. Its one of those things that people grow out of. And as for making alcohol more expensive surely that will just push the already struggling nightlife in accy and many other similar towns, and also encourage youngsters to find alternate means of getting a buzz ie drugs, as someone already pointed out you can get pills for a couple of quid and enough weed to make a joint just as cheap, so putting the price up wont help at all. And please dont put the drinking age up, atleast not till next year when im 21 lol.

shillelagh · 18-01-2008, 18:48

How many parents nowadays if asked by someone where their kids are. When i was a kid we used to 'muck about' down the garages (where the cornmills are) and wrecked a couple of them - there was only one of the garages being used out of 6 of them so we had the end 2. We used to shelter in them if it was raining but all our parents knew where we were. We werent far from the houses but far enough away not to cause a disturbance to the people in the houses. Plus they all knew us and we all knew which ones were the ones who were going to complain to our parents in otherwords we knew if we did anything wrong we knew our parents would be told. My dad used to walk past on his way up to the club at 8.30 and i had to be round there or he'd wonder where i was. Also i had to be in at 9pm even when i was 15 unless i had gone to the disco and then i had to be home for 10pm. If i was late i was docked half an hour the following night. How many 15 year olds do you see out on the street now - later than 9pm? We had a healthy respect for our parents. The only thing i can think off is that it is my generation who are the parents of teenagers now. In the 80's there was that everything is me, me, me, no one thinking of others. Now we are reaping the benefits of the me, me, me generation.

I dont have any kids - but i do have nieces and nephews that are teenagers the only thing is my brother and sisters have brought them up with a healthy respect for others, couple of blips here and there but not one of them has been brought home by police.

derekgas · 18-01-2008, 20:01

No respect, no discipline, no authority, no fear. I still say parents are to blame ultimately, but agree with bb that parents have become more tolerant along the generations. It sounds harsh, but here is my recipe for the making of better people. The parents have no fear of thier children being taken away from them, thus they have no reason to sort them out unless the damage is to thier own property etc. Hanging, flogging, the stocks, national service, boot camp, borstal, boarding schools, hard time prison, give the police the control of the streets back and bin all the paperwork and red tape, give the teachers thier control back, including the cane, the slipper and the dunces cap, it would take 20 years to make a complete difference, but I am sure that if all the above were returned over time, improvements would be startling initially and steadily things would improve, abolish the compensation nation attitude and the human rights stupidity too. And before the do gooders start shouting about this being barbaric, I find all the murders, rapings, child molestation etc barbaric, and before they get on the human rights pedestal, what about our rights to walk the streets safe, and able to leave belongings in your car or garden without fear of theft, and to allow my kids to the park alone without fear of violence or idiotic drivers? Excellent thread panther!

cashman · 18-01-2008, 20:06

very well said Derekgas.

derekgas · 18-01-2008, 20:08

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Originally Posted by cashman

very well said Derekgas.

Thank you cashy, I knew you would agree, I forgot to say that the local bobby should be able to give you a clout round the ear, never did me any harm! lol

SamF · 18-01-2008, 20:35

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Originally Posted by derekgas

No respect, no discipline, no authority, no fear. I still say parents are to blame ultimately, but agree with bb that parents have become more tolerant along the generations. It sounds harsh, but here is my recipe for the making of better people. The parents have no fear of thier children being taken away from them, thus they have no reason to sort them out unless the damage is to thier own property etc. Hanging, flogging, the stocks, national service, boot camp, borstal, boarding schools, hard time prison, give the police the control of the streets back and bin all the paperwork and red tape, give the teachers thier control back, including the cane, the slipper and the dunces cap, it would take 20 years to make a complete difference, but I am sure that if all the above were returned over time, improvements would be startling initially and steadily things would improve, abolish the compensation nation attitude and the human rights stupidity too. And before the do gooders start shouting about this being barbaric, I find all the murders, rapings, child molestation etc barbaric, and before they get on the human rights pedestal, what about our rights to walk the streets safe, and able to leave belongings in your car or garden without fear of theft, and to allow my kids to the park alone without fear of violence or idiotic drivers? Excellent thread panther!

...and survivors will be shot again

Seriously, get a grip on reality, the problems are with the minority, why destroy the lives of millions ?

The problem is mainly with the perception of "youths".

You see a group of teenagers in full black tracksuits and you assume that they are drunk off cheap cider, out until 3AM every night swearing and vandalising before going home to neglectful parents on benefits and truanting off the next day of school. The case 9 times out of 10 is that its a few teenage lads off for a kickabout.

I laugh at the fact that when I do out out playing football, people cross the street to avoid me, walking in not the best of areas and standing6ft tall wearing tracksuit bottoms (I'll be buggered if I'm wearing shorts in winter) and an athletic shirt I am the typical "youth" up to no good. Terrifying I know.

Now look at it from a different angle, I am a straight A student, had the chance of a place at Oxford or Cambridge but chose against it, now earned a conditional offer from the most popular and one of the most competitive universities in the country- The University of Manchester, I am simply going to have a kick around with my friends, who I've known since primary school, spending a bit of time with them before we all move away. Still scared ?

derekgas · 18-01-2008, 20:54

It does sound a bit like my post wouldn't apply to you, and indeed is not aimed at you, it is aimed at the mindless morons wrote about in this thread, it is a blinkered and generalised opinion that I have now, and this is because the government have made me this way with thier blinkered and generalised mistakes, I have no objection to young lads going for a kickabout, but I do object when they kick the ball at my car, and talk as loud as possible on thier way home at 3am, which incidentally, I find a strange time to be having a kickabout.

No.9 Dream · 18-01-2008, 20:54

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Now look at it from a different angle, I am a straight A student, had the chance of a place at Oxford or Cambridge but chose against it, now earned a conditional offer from the most popular and one of the most competitive universities in the country- The University of Manchester, I am simply going to have a kick around with my friends, who I've known since primary school, spending a bit of time with them before we all move away. Still scared

Yes of your libertarianism

Bonnyboy · 18-01-2008, 20:59

I'm with derek on this. Discipline in the main seems to be lacking in our youngsters and it seems that nobody is allowed to administer "effective" discipline thesedays. Parents, teachers, police... to an extent they all have their hands tied.