All The Best To You Graham

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Because he misrepresented the facts and took the country to a war it should never have got involved in....he just wanted to be seen as the big guy.....when in fact he was GW's poodle.

True enough ... but I don't think that makes him a war criminal ... jerk, asshole, scumbag, slimeball ... maybe. Hypocrite ... definitely. But he didn't act alone He "ruled" in a parliamentary democracy, not by divine right. That got the chop in 1649 I believe. And what were your intelligence services up to? Probably acting on info from CSIS and the Mounties, our then PM, Jean Chretien, told GW to stuff his war plans where the sun don't shine. Your government, no doubt, had the same info as ours. And yet .....

[Margaret Pilkington]

There were plenty of feet on the streets here that told him that the people did not agree with his vision of how things were at that time...and since then he has slimed his greasy way out of answering questions about what really went on.....he has declined to allow communications which clarify events, to be published.
Now if he had nothing to hide why would he do that.
GW wanted a regime change in Iraq.......and this was (allegedly) decided well ahead of the WMD issues.....Tony Blair was complicit in bamboozling the people in government....he (along with others) lied to the British people.
All this for his own hedonistic desires....and he still will not admit that he was wrong.

Those in the Middle East still live by almost tribal rules......why does the west act so arrogantly in trying to get them to assume a western style democracy...when there is no such thing as democracy??

He sent British lads and lasses to fight in a conflict that should never have been....Many of these lost their lives, and those who came home came home with problems which they are still having today.
Tony Blair is responsible....period.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Those in the Middle East still live by almost tribal rules......why does the west act so arrogantly in trying to get them to assume a western style democracy...when there is no such thing as democracy??

He sent British lads and lasses to fight in a conflict that should never have been....Many of these lost their lives, and those who came home came home with problems which they are still having today.
Tony Blair is responsible....period.

Do you think we should do nothing and just let them get on with killing each other?
Do you believe that once IS take over the middle east they will start to spread across the globe?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by accyman

did them lads from blackburn not get done for treason when they went to fight for the taliban ?

The so called justice system probably blamed white married middle aged men with 2.4 kids for forcing them to go and fight and gave them a new house and loads of money when they returned

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Neil

The so called justice system probably blamed white married middle aged men with 2.4 kids for forcing them to go and fight and gave them a new house and loads of money when they returned

In a nutshell sucessive governments have ignored these radicals,e.g. those who preach hatred on the streets, it makes good news showing, but sod all is ever done really, The fact an innocent journalist has now been executed should be the call to get the S.A.S. involved execute all radicals,stop benefits fer the families, n tell the happy clappers who object to get stuffed,but that obviously will never happen, those who are crying fer rivers of blood will be allowed to carry on. Time in my view to fight fire wi fire, stick it right up em.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Neil.....I really do wish I had the answer to the first question. It is something that is not as simple as we in the west think it is. There are so many subtle cultural issues involved......many of them we will never understand, probably because we are not of that culture.
As for your second question......I am in no doubt whatsoever about the answer to this.
If IS take over the Middle East then they will surely feel that they can take over the globe.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cashman

In a nutshell sucessive governments have ignored these radicals,e.g. those who preach hatred on the streets, it makes good news showing, but sod all is ever done really, The fact an innocent journalist has now been executed should be the call to get the S.A.S. involved execute all radicals,stop benefits fer the families, n tell the happy clappers who object to get stuffed,but that obviously will never happen, those who are crying fer rivers of blood will be allowed to carry on. Time in my view to fight fire wi fire, stick it right up em.

The governments who have ignored the 'hate preachers'(for that is what they are) did so because they feared being labelled Islamophobic or racist.

Why would you come to a country which has a culture you despise?.......Except we know that the world sees us as a soft touch...money, houses and health care up for grabs at no cost to them.

I would make sure that those who left the country to fight for IS in a jihadist movement never ever got back in again....and I would make sure their families were airlifted out to where ever these young men are fighting.....after all, if we were trying to deport them to a country of their ancestors, they would cite the right to family life.
Let them put their elderly grandparents/ parents and younger siblings in peril....see if that concentrated their minds.
They are not British.......I don't care if they were born here and have a British passport...they should be banned from setting foot on our soil for the rest of their lives.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Neil

Do you think we should do noting and just let them get on with killing each other?

That's a big fat yes! Violence, terror & threats are endemic in Arab & middle eastern cultures. They'll happily enslave & slaughter other tribes & clans that don't fit their ways & ever was it so amongst these peoples long before Colonialists came along conquering & dividing the lands into parcels that suited their wishes.

When this happened they then stopped killing each other to join forces & fight back against the infidel, a working successful alliance through need. Still, once its purpose was served it was back to the old routine of butchering & beating each other, that is & remains their "Culture". Leave 'em to it I say, eventually a point will be reached when they've so decimated & debilitated one another that they'll all have to come together again to survive or risk being overtaken by a stronger incoming outside power.

[Less]

Well yes, DIG, I liked your post, because the fact is...

It's correct, I didn't like the content though, it's a confusing world isn't it?

😕

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Less

Well yes, DIG, I liked your post, because the fact is...

It's correct, I didn't like the content though, it's a confusing world isn't it?

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I can live with that Less, unlike others who can't live with anything apparently.

[Less]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

I can live with that Less, unlike others who can't live with anything apparently.

Somehow neither of us have much of a choice, live with it or...

Oh what the hey, let's fight back, who fancies a trip along B'burn Rd letting the tyres down on the illegally parked cars?

Hang on though, if we let the tyres down, that will make them awkward to move when we need to form a barricade against the retaliation!
Leave me to consider this for a moment...

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

GW wanted a regime change in Iraq.......and this was (allegedly) decided well ahead of the WMD issues.....Tony Blair was complicit in bamboozling the people in government....he (along with others) lied to the British people.

It is the norm for politicians to lie to the British public and that is not seen as an offence - however, lying to Parliament is an offence I believe. Therefore he should be brought before Parliament and tried and the document that have been denied the public should be made available.

[cashman]

We will take passports off em. that'll teach em. But still give em benifits to buy false uns.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

.....
As for your second question......I am in no doubt whatsoever about the answer to this.
If IS take over the Middle East then they will surely feel that they can take over the globe.

Should they be stopped from doing that?
If so at what point should they be stopped?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

Time in my view to fight fire wi fire, stick it right up em.

Agree 110% ... spoken like a true Israeli.