Allotments - Page 2

jaysay · 21-01-2012, 10:31

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Originally Posted by gynn

Its a simple point. The Council has got no money. It has to take some very difficult decisions, and one decision they are making is to make the allotments self financing. If that is going to cause hardship to some people, then it is right that they fight it.

If the loudest noises are being made by people who CAN afford the rent increase, then they should realise the reality of the situation.

Its not divide and rule. Its asking people to put their hands on their hearts and be realistic in the current financial climate.

And how do you know its the people making the most noise who can afford to pay, because they organise a meeting in a con club, your not related to Mancie are, he talks twaddle like that.

wallop79 · 21-01-2012, 18:24

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Originally Posted by gynn

Its a simple point. The Council has got no money. It has to take some very difficult decisions, and one decision they are making is to make the allotments self financing. If that is going to cause hardship to some people, then it is right that they fight it.

If the loudest noises are being made by people who CAN afford the rent increase, then they should realise the reality of the situation.

Its not divide and rule. Its asking people to put their hands on their hearts and be realistic in the current financial climate.

The council has got money, I suggest you look at the financial statement freely available, showing what wastages they have made, like i already mentioned £500+ on a tap repair!! The council says they haven't put the rents up in 10 years, who's fault is that, not the allotment holders, and how can the council justify a 400% rent increase, im pretty sure if your gas or elec was going up by such a massive amount, you'd be kicking up a fuss, or would you take it lying down??

cashman · 21-01-2012, 18:29

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Originally Posted by wallop79

The council has got money, I suggest you look at the financial statement freely available, showing what wastages they have made, like i already mentioned £500+ on a tap repair!! The council says they haven't put the rents up in 10 years, who's fault is that, not the allotment holders, and how can the council justify a 400% rent increase, im pretty sure if your gas or elec was going up by such a massive amount, you'd be kicking up a fuss, or would you take it lying down??

He'd probably take it up the ass? cos hes talking a load of crap.

Eric · 21-01-2012, 21:31

From when do these allotments date? Are they something that came along after '67? I know that there were four behind my house on Rishton Rd. Basil Brierly had one (he used it for storing junk; and he kept a bunch of pigs and chickens there; so he might have owned the place). Tommy Pilkington had one; he grew veggies, had a small greenhouse, and ferrets. Tom Noble and my granddad had the others. Would these be something similar to the ones you are talking about? Can't for the life of me remember how long these guys had had the allotments, or how much rent they paid

By the way, all those allotments were immaculate and well tended ... my chore was to take care of the manure ... a sort of metaphor for what my life would become

Well, apart from Basil's ... but anyone who knew the guy, or had a pint with him in the Village or the Bottom Club would understand why.

gynn · 22-01-2012, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Eric

From when do these allotments date? Are they something that came along after '67?

No they have been there much longer than that.

Nothing like playing devil's advocate to stimulate a rigorous debate. Only on Accy web could a comment about allotments provoke challenges about my sanity and sexuality!

jaysay · 22-01-2012, 10:06

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Originally Posted by gynn

No they have been there much longer than that.

Nothing like playing devil's advocate to stimulate a rigorous debate. Only on Accyweb could a comment about allotments provoke challenges about my sanity and sexuality!

Ya we're good at that on here, we weight things up very quickly and aren't usually that far off the mark

gynn · 22-01-2012, 14:10

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya we're good at that on here, we weight things up very quickly and aren't usually that far off the mark

Careful or I'll set my boyfriend's pet goldfish on you, jaysay!

Neil · 22-01-2012, 18:00

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Originally Posted by wallop79

The council has got money, I suggest you look at the financial statement freely available, showing what wastages they have made, like i already mentioned £500+ on a tap repair!! The council says they haven't put the rents up in 10 years, who's fault is that, not the allotment holders, and how can the council justify a 400% rent increase, im pretty sure if your gas or elec was going up by such a massive amount, you'd be kicking up a fuss, or would you take it lying down??

I keep hearing these big numbers of 400% and 700% but no one has yet posted anywhere I have seen how much they are paying per rod now and how much it will be after the proposed increase so we can compare with allotments in other authorities.

I posted on the facebook group how a local authority lost in court with massive increases. Here is a link to the case report

http://bucksburnallotments.co.uk/Doc...%20Council.pdf

garinda · 23-01-2012, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Neil

I keep hearing these big numbers of 400% and 700% but no one has yet posted anywhere I have seen how much they are paying per rod now and how much it will be after the proposed increase

'...annual rent is going up from £34.45 in 2012 to £90 in 2013.

It will then rise to £130 in 2014, £170 in 2015 and £200 in 2016.'

Baxenden allotments row as rent is set to soar (From Blackburn Citizen)

Neil · 23-01-2012, 09:19

It still does not say what size plot.

Similar cases have been tried in court and the Council has lost. I thing HBC legal need to read the document I linked to of the court case that has been used as precedent for other cases

jaysay · 23-01-2012, 09:21

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Originally Posted by gynn

Careful or I'll set my boyfriend's pet goldfish on you, jaysay!

Whats it called Jaws

dusty mears · 23-01-2012, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Neil

It is just a location not an example of the allotment holders.

Thanks Neil - the voice of reason as usual !!

dusty mears · 23-01-2012, 20:03

I've been on HBC website earlier to look at £500+ spend. It's been updated today thanks to Cllr Collingridge bollocking officers - 2 months out of date & contradicting itself.
Latest allotment related spend -
Allotment Regen, Miscellaneous - Supervisors Oct 11 - Bootstrap enterprises - £4378.
Allotment Regen, Miscellaneous - 2 Supervisors Sept 11 - Bootstrap enterprises - £4378.
So now HBC allotment holders, you're paying bootstraps wages (no offence to bootstraps), due to some change in funding rules for bootstraps.
Yet another explanation why rents have to go up.

wallop79 · 23-01-2012, 21:12

Bootstrap get funding from the government, so why are they getting funding from my council tax - aka HBC???

Retlaw · 23-01-2012, 21:20

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Originally Posted by wallop79

Bootstrap get funding from the government, so why are they getting funding from my council tax - aka HBC???

This is who they are, so why are Hyndburn including them in the Allotment funding. They operate out of Melbourne House.
www.bootstrap.org.uk/who.cfm