American Healthcare

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

There have been many elected officials whose policies I disagreed with - however, at no time did it ever occur to me to wish them ill will or bodily harm, (even in jest.) Too bad that some people aren't able to have a rational debate without resorting to slander or threats.

I bow to thee, oh great holy one.

[bullseyebarb]

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Americans have long resisted socialism. This includes Hillary Clinton's attempt at socialized medicine in the 1990's. The current brouhaha in Congress is just another attempt to expand same by piecemeal methods. I think President Bush was wise to veto this bill. We have spent not millions or billions but TRILLIONS of dollars on the poor since Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were launched in the 1960's. Anyone who thinks these have been a rousing success haven't been paying attention. People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished.....not to mention that they want to cover "children" up to the age of 25. I am also quite sure that a great many of these people will be illegal aliens.

So would you rather pay a few pence more on a packet of cigarettes, (and maybe discourage some people from the habit and thereby lower the burden on your healthcare system and maybe even cut your insurance bill) and ensure healthcare for the children in the impoverished underclass your country DOES have or not.

As I said even your republicans have voted for this bill, its only your president with his lobbying friends from the tobacco and oil barons who sees it as evil. Hmm war on Iraq or care for our kids, difficult that one but war wins every time as the poor will not vote or if they do will only vote Democrat.

[Stanaccy]

Dear mods The site froze whilst posting this please delete the extra posts.

Many apologies
Stan.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Stanaccy

Dear mods The site froze whilst posting this please delete the extra posts.

Many apologies
Stan.

This happens Fridays

[garinda]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

People who fall under the current government income guidelines are hardly impoverished

That suprises me. Some of the people we saw in New Orleans, in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, looked as impoverished as the residents of shanty towns in any third world country.

[garinda]

'12.1 million children under 18 years of age lived in families with income below the Federal poverty threshold'

'Children living below the Federal Poverty Level represented 16.7 percent of children in the U.S.'

Child Health USA 2004 > Children in Poverty


If health care for all equates to 'socialism', give me socialism everytime.