American Presidential Election

[cashman]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

Says a lot to me that Russia's Putin was thrilled to bits with Trump being elected - two of a kind???

Well it would to you, not even considering another possibility.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Mutti just can't let it go!

taken from the New York Times

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has offered President-elect Donald Trump "close cooperation" on the basis of shared trans-Atlantic values that she says include respect for human dignity regardless of people's origin, gender or religion.
Merkel told reporters in Berlin on Wednesday that the campaign which ended in Trump's victory featured "confrontations that were difficult to bear."
Merkel stressed Germany's close historical connection with the United States. She said: "Germany and America are connected by values: democracy, freedom, respect for the law and for the dignity of human beings, independently of origin, skin color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or political views."
She added: "On the basis of these values, I am offering the future president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, close cooperation."
She said the partnership with the U.S. "is a foundation stone of German foreign policy."


This, from the leader of a country that destroyed Europe & the world twice in the 20th Century via armed conflict, was then raised from the ruins of its own folly by the American dollar after their second attempt & making them an economic success to the detriment of many others. And now, in the 21st century, seemingly determined to destroy & dilute themselves & Europe once more care of "Merkels mongrels" flooding the western european lands.


Absolutely incredulous!

I like that bit about "Germany's close historical connection with the United States of America." She could be referring to things like that massive international beach party held back in the summer of '44.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

True, but like the "Remoaners" they will bitch about it.

That they may my dear Chap, but I do believe the mindset of your average American, along with their temperament, constitution (and personal armoury) would readily quell any simpering whinyness coming from your precious liberal snowflakes & therefore most robustly & vehemently finalize the issue.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Eric

I like that bit about "Germany's close historical connection with the United States of America." She could be referring to things like that massive international beach party held back in the summer of '44.

Indubitably, I believe the Germans were the hosts on the occasion & gave a rather raucous welcome to our Lads & their Allies.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

That they may my dear Chap, but I do believe the mindset of your average American, along with their temperament, constitution (and personal armoury) would readily quell any simpering whinyness coming from your precious liberal snowflakes & therefore most robustly & vehemently finalize the issue.

They may well do so, tend not to pish about oer yon.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

tend not to pish about oer yon.

Do they also have "Laggy pants" (elasticated) oer yon? I ask mainly because if so "The Donald" for his ease in the long run would be wise to invest in several pairs.

It'll make the constant yanking of them down, for a long & impressive line of Politicoes & sneerers from the world, lining up to bend the knee, pucker up & kiss the arse of the man they so readily disdained, that much easier on all concerned.

Oh the Joy!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Again, just like after Brexit there are 'experts'(we all know that X marks the spot and a spurt is just a drip under pressure...don't we?) pontificating on what will happen.
NO-ONE KNOWS.....not even septic Peg.
We all have seen the experts be wrong. We just have to wait and see.
The Americans voted. They got who they wanted. Now let's sit back and see what happens.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Again, just like after Brexit there are 'experts'(we all know that X marks the spot and a spurt is just a drip under pressure...don't we?) pontificating on what will happen.
NO-ONE KNOWS.....not even septic Peg.
We all have seen the experts be wrong. We just have to wait and see.
The Americans voted. They got who they wanted. Now let's sit back and see what happens.

Thats democracy like what shoulda happened after Brexit, but didn't.

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by cashman

Well it would to you, not even considering another possibility.

Not like you to jump to conclusions Cashy - you wouldn't have any way of knowing how many possibilities I've considered
Was just an observation made from a gut instinct, feminine intuition if you like - the whole thing just makes me very uneasy but I suppose at least he's an elected leader unlike our present incumbent in power.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have to admit that he also stimulates my vomit factor. I do not like the way he has debased women and I know that he may say it is locker room talk...but it is not what you want from someone who is to be a world leader.

He plays to the lowest common denominator. His mouth is ahead of any rational thought....and that he funded his own campaign only means one thing...money talks.(and it can be used to buy power - that should be a cause for concern)

I do not like him, but respect the fact that he is the man the Americans want to lead them.
Now whether he can achieve all the things that he has sold his campaign on is the real crux of the matter

[Barrie Yates]

I have a number of American friends that served in Saudi and a number from the time that I lived there. A complete mix of backgrounds, ethnicity, employment and political views. However, one particular item seemed to unite them all in disapproval of Clinton - hundreds of thousands of emails that "disappeared" from her personal insecure server and all the garbage that revolved around that, for instance, how can any organisation scrutinise 680,000 emails in a few days.
I had the same thoughts and also curiosity as to the amount of money received by the Clinton Foundation from dubious sources and where the money - allegedly billions, has gone. To cap that an audit was carried out headed up by Chelsea Clinton to clear the foundation of any wrongdoing. The mind boggles, perhaps a Night of the Long Knives will happen.

[cashman]

Aye Barrie but many people ignore that fact also they were deleted after she had been supened, now common sense tells me, that if i had NOTHING to hide, then i would Never delete em. but seems locker room filth is much worse to some people.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy, I think that your comment about locker room filth is a little unfair.(I am that 'some person')
You cannot compare the faults of these two American politicians....they are not comparable at all.
Neither of these people are suitable for the serious office of President.

Some of the things he has said about women are deeply offensive. How he has treated women has been offensive. Saying that women should be punished for having an abortion is despicable.All this shows that he is bad at making judgements.
Hilary Clinton is no better, she also has shown herself to be criminally negligent...and duplicitous.
But then it seems to me that those attributes are valued in politics.
I liked neither of these people and we heard very little about what they plan to do(other than Donald Trump being contentious in saying he will build a wall to keep the Mexicans out...and that he will turf Muslims out of the country).not much was said about what would be done and how it would be achieved.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

We all have seen the experts be wrong. We just have to wait and see.
The Americans voted. They got who they wanted. Now let's sit back and see what happens.

Time and time again, we see those that know better, that think we, the ill educated shouldn't be allowed to have a say in the running of OUR lives.

How many times in recent history have they been wrong?
Yet they still try to convince us it is we that are wrong.
They never change policy or attitude nor from what I can see do they take the time to think, 'could life actually be better if we listened to the masses?'

[Margaret Pilkington]

I don't think they give us, the ill educated masses(how I hate that they think they know us, know what we need, know what we should have) a seconds thought.
We are not considered at all.
My jaundiced view is that politicians (of all persuasions) enter politics in order to improve their lives not ours.

I am glad I was not American, I would not have been able to vote for either of these people.
I disliked them both equally, but for different reasons.

Whatever our views are about the situation in the U.S. we can have no influence on what happens there.