An Inconvenient Truth - Page 4

bullseyebarb · 01-02-2007, 20:30

Steeljack & LYY - thanks, guys. Just ran across two items online today. One dated February 1st on www.eureferendum.blogspot.com regarding Al Gore's nomination for a a Nobel Peace Prize. Also, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._american.html where Victor Davis Hanson skewers John Kerry on Kyoto and other issues.

No, Billcat, I don't buy the hype and never will. The planet has always had warming and cooling cycles. It's utter hubris to think that we mere mortals can do anything to prevent that.

bullseyebarb · 01-02-2007, 20:40

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no , the elites I had in mind were the PC commie pinkos, the liberal lefties , folks like the ACLU (Anti Christian Lawyers Union ) the minority groups who are allways telling us and demanding we follow down their yellow brick roads to Nirvana , the bicycle coalitions that shut down downtown areas on the last Fridays of every month with their antics (where the heck are the fire trucks with their pumps when you need them). The groups who jump up and down and stamp their feet when the NYC Irish cultural council says we dont want to play with you , (Boo Hoo)
The groups who demand the removals of Christmas Nativities but say a Menorah is OK .

oh yeah , forgot to mention I drive a full- size Dodge pick-up truck

Yes, I always thought it interesting that Mikhail Gorbachev founded Green Cross International. Does he still have an office in San Francisco? Before he starts preaching to us and the rest of the West, he might ought to go back to Russia and see what he can do there. Of the top ten most polluted sites in the world most recently named, Russia has six of them. The other four can be claimed by China and India.

jambutty · 01-02-2007, 20:40

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Steeljack & LYY - thanks, guys. Just ran across two items online today. One dated February 1st on www.eureferendum.blogspot.com regarding Al Gore's nomination for a a Nobel Peace Prize. Also, www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_ugly_american.html where Victor Davis Hanson skewers John Kerry on Kyoto and other issues.

No, Billcat, I don't buy the hype and never will. The planet has always had warming and cooling cycles. It's utter hubris to think that we mere mortals can do anything to prevent that.

The pro’s and anti global warming supporters will argue until they are all blue in the face and neither will convince the other that they are right and the other is wrong.

See what I mean!

steeljack · 01-02-2007, 20:59

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The other four can be claimed by China and India.

true, and if I remember they were exempt from the Kyoto protocols

bullseyebarb · 01-02-2007, 21:02

Yes, they were. And the U.S. Senate voted 95-0 to oppose Kyoto during the Clinton administration.

steeljack · 02-02-2007, 05:45

interesting article from the "liberal"press about global pollution
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...461828,00.html

dont think anyone could ever acuse Der Spiegal of having a right wing bias , this is in English

WillowTheWhisp · 02-02-2007, 09:37

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The pro’s and anti global warming supporters will argue until they are all blue in the face and neither will convince the other that they are right and the other is wrong.

Meanwhile large areas of the earth will become uninhabitable (including, according to this morning's radio, large parts of Italy) and other large areas will be submerged beneath seawater and the population will continue to grow with climate refugees causing more overcrowding- but what the heck those who don't believe it won't be here to experience it. Unfortunately their children and children's children will and they will wonder why we didn't do anything to stop it.

It reminds me of that final scene from the first 'Planet of the Apes' film.

Ianto.W. · 02-02-2007, 13:13

I'm sure I heard on the radio news, that All Gores film was to be shown in all British Schools?

WillowTheWhisp · 02-02-2007, 16:38

I must ask my kids about that.

bullseyebarb · 02-02-2007, 19:58

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I'm sure I heard on the radio news, that All Gores film was to be shown in all British Schools?

Child abuse.

LancYorkYankee · 02-02-2007, 20:28

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Child abuse.

Billcat · 03-02-2007, 15:11

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Originally Posted by steeljack

no , the elites I had in mind were the PC commie pinkos, the liberal lefties , folks like the ACLU (Anti Christian Lawyers Union ) the minority groups who are allways telling us and demanding we follow down their yellow brick roads to Nirvana , the bicycle coalitions that shut down downtown areas on the last Fridays of every month with their antics (where the heck are the fire trucks with their pumps when you need them). The groups who jump up and down and stamp their feet when the NYC Irish cultural council says we dont want to play with you , (Boo Hoo)
The groups who demand the removals of Christmas Nativities but say a Menorah is OK .

oh yeah , forgot to mention I drive a full- size Dodge pick-up truck

And why in the world would these groups be intersted in global warming? You can name them, but the argument is nonsensical.

Gayle · 03-02-2007, 15:26

Front page of the Guardian today

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/cl...005116,00.html

bullseyebarb · 04-02-2007, 19:26

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And why in the world would these groups be intersted in global warming? You can name them, but the argument is nonsensical.

I don't presume to speak for Steeljack....however, I think what he may be trying to point out to you is that many of the loudest proponents of man-made global warming today are confirmed anti-capitalists. The environmental movement is a tailor-made venue for them.

bullseyebarb · 04-02-2007, 19:36

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Front page of the Guardian today

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/cl...005116,00.html

Gayle, I really hate to see you sucked in by this. Most scientists spend their lives working to shore up the reigning world view - the dominant paradigm - and those who disagree are always fewer in number. The drive to conformity is accentuated by peer review, (a term Billcat is very fond of). But this ensures that only papers in support of the paradigm appear in the literature and by public funding that gives money to research into the prevailing "paradigm of doom." It is worth noting that rebels who challenge prevailing orthodoxies are often proved right.

I remain a skeptic on the subject of man-made global warming because I see a fair amount of fraud and misinformation being bandied about.