...And For The Defense... - Page 2

Less · 29-09-2007, 16:38

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Originally Posted by steeljack

and if the woman is on the sick list she shoudn't be drinking .

So if your sick and on benefits you shouldn't be allowed a social life? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger!

SPUGGIE J · 29-09-2007, 16:41

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Originally Posted by steeljack

is there an alcohol allowance included in a benefits package ? , time was benefits were paid as a safety net between jobs ,not to support an idle lifestyle, and if the woman is on the sick list she shoudn't be drinking .

It is a case that alcoholism is a disease and they are given extra cash for it. Last I heard it was about £25 A WEEK!!!!

steeljack · 29-09-2007, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Less

So if your sick and on benefits you shouldn't be allowed a social life? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger!

not if you are using Govt. money for it , theres a difference between the 'genuine' sick/ disabled and the moochers and work shy

Bonnyboy · 29-09-2007, 16:51

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Originally Posted by steeljack

is there an alcohol allowance included in a benefits package ? , time was benefits were paid as a safety net between jobs ,not to support an idle lifestyle, and if the woman is on the sick list she shoudn't be drinking .

Contentious statement in my opinion.
There are many reasons why people are on benefits. The vast majority of people have paid into the "state system" for most of their lives and through one circumstance or another have found themselves on "benefits".
I'm also struggling to see the line of thought that if someone is deemed sick then they should be procluded from having alcohol.
Those in receipt of benefits are entitled a Social Life too

Less · 29-09-2007, 16:52

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Originally Posted by steeljack

not if you are using Govt. money for it , theres a difference between the 'genuine' sick/ disabled and the moochers and work shy

Why did some of the people now on benefits pay into the National insurance sceme if when they become ill they have to forfiet their social life? A lot of people are on benefits through no fault of their own and should not be penalised twice for their mis-fortunes, perhaps you would have a more tolerant view point if it was you that had to be treated in a similar manner?

BERNADETTE · 29-09-2007, 16:56

Perhaps another reason the fact that the lady in question was on benefits should not have been disclosed. We are back to dictating to people what they can and cannot do with THEIR MONEY!!!!!

steeljack · 29-09-2007, 16:57

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

I'm also struggling to see the line of thought that if someone is deemed sick then they should be procluded from having alcohol.
Those in receipt of benefits are entitled a Social Life too

Is the consumption of alcohol a requirement of having a social life ?, many if not the majority of people manage to have decent social lives without getting drunk and hauled into court for having a barney at the front door at the cost to the taxpayer

SPUGGIE J · 29-09-2007, 17:02

Sadly it is a system that can make it more financially comfortable for some not to work than to work. The system can be exploited by some to the detriment of others.

WillowTheWhisp · 29-09-2007, 17:02

So what the defence is really saying is please don't give her a hefty fine because she can't afford it and she's been well behaved up to now.

Bonnyboy · 29-09-2007, 17:04

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Is the consumption of alcohol a requirement of having a social life ?, many if not the majority of people manage to have decent social lives without getting drunk and hauled into court for having a barney at the front door at the cost to the taxpayer

You are correct that alcohol is not a requirement of having a social life. But having alcohol is neither a precursor to getting drunk. I would say most people thesedays partake in the consumption of alcohol just that they do so with sense and decorum.
Bottom line is it's got ****** all to do with anyone that this woman is on benefits and even less to do with anything is what she spends her money on.

steeljack · 29-09-2007, 17:05

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Perhaps another reason the fact that the lady in question was on benefits should not have been disclosed. We are back to dictating to people what they can and cannot do with THEIR MONEY!!!!!

thats the whole point .....its not 'THEIR MONEY' , it's YOUR MONEY, it's money paid in by you the taxpayers and handed out by the Govt. as support/insurance whilst people are going thru a bad patch , not to support a lifestyle at the expense of others

BERNADETTE · 29-09-2007, 17:13

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Originally Posted by steeljack

thats the whole point .....its not 'THEIR MONEY' , it's YOUR MONEY, it's money paid in by you the taxpayers and handed out by the Govt. as support/insurance whilst people are going thru a bad patch , not to support a lifestyle at the expense of others

Once they are in receipt of said money it is theirs to spend as they wish. The fact that this lady was on benefits had nothing to do with any of us. Who are we to dictate to people?

talentedbutslow · 30-09-2007, 12:41

I,ll never get arrested for having a social life.......I haven,t got one......

jimmi5bellies · 30-09-2007, 22:30

Im on benefits and i dont drink,

(Alcohol overdose at the age of 17 from dads home brew put me off for life

). Think it was Barley wine.

cashman · 30-09-2007, 23:12

from what i can gather she was Drunk n Disorderly, so fair enough do her. the fact that she was on benifits is irrelevant and should not be an issue,people have always taken a drink there were gin houses for the poor way back, think people who pick up on a persons "status" i.e. the press n others are very blinkered and narrow minded.