Animals killed for training - Page 6

Accyexplorer · 04-03-2014, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Less

Criticise the Government that put them there, you'll get no arguments, criticise the troops, you're on a slippery slope covered with your own regrets.

Don't tempt me less

Less · 04-03-2014, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Don't tempt me less

Feel free to be tempted but, please, don't hide a threat behind a winky smiley.

Do you not think that sitting at your desk just looking at one almighty cock-up of a thread to be just a little obsessive?
The rest of us get on with other things, why not give it up as a bad job? You are not going to salvage any of your broken pride by showing yourself up even further.

Studio25 · 04-03-2014, 13:34

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Sorry,but I can't change my beliefs C.

Of course you can. Anyone can change their belief if they are presented with a convincing opinion.

It would be hard work - but I bet you could convince me to turn vegetarian if you knew what to say.

Accyexplorer · 04-03-2014, 13:34

Why is it only military medics are trained in this 'controversial' way,why not teach all our docs if it helps save life's?

Less · 04-03-2014, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Why is it only military medics are trained in this 'controversial' way,why not teach all our docs if it helps save life's?

How many Doctors are ex-military, dummy?

Accyexplorer · 04-03-2014, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Studio25

Of course you can. Anyone can change their belief if they are presented with a convincing opinion.

It would be hard work - but I bet you could convince me to turn vegetarian if you knew what to say.

Fair play,maybe I've just not heard a "convincing opinion" yet,even with all the hard work some members have put into their comments.

Accyexplorer · 04-03-2014, 13:46

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Originally Posted by Less

How many Doctors are ex-military, dummy?

How many are not,(deleted due to forum rules)?

Studio25 · 04-03-2014, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Fair play,maybe I've just not heard a "convincing opinion" yet,even with all the hard work some members have put into their comments.

You neatly avoided my little trap.

I live up the road from an abbatoir. The animals being "processed" walk in a fenced line to their deaths, knowing what's coming. They scream, and defecate and try to escape, before watching the worker put a bolt gun to their head. And this is all to put a nice little skrink-wrapped piece of meat in your fridge. No anaesthesia there.

These danish pigs suffer no knowledge of their fate, and no pain. And this is all to help increase the chance of survival of a battlefield soldier or (when the medic's tour of duty is over) a drive-by victim in the inner city.

If you're a vegetarian you'll probably get less friction by starting a thread on how inhuman it is to eat meat. If you do eat meat, Well then, that would make you a hypocrite.

(I'm not a vegetarian, BTW.)

Margaret Pilkington · 04-03-2014, 13:58

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Why is it only military medics are trained in this 'controversial' way,why not teach all our docs if it helps save life's?

You obviously have not really taken onboard much of what has been said.
You keep on stating that this is a controversial issue - it is only controversial when you do not subscribe to it.
It makes sense to me. I can see the benefits, and they outweigh the drawbacks.
Training that the military receive is also used in the NHS. Research papers are freely available...and it is inevitable that skills learnt in the theatres of war will ultimately benefit trauma victims.

Many surgeons are members of the TA and regularly have tours of duty in places where conflicts are taking place

And I agree with Studio25...given convincing arguments you can change your mind about issues...the only time that this is impossible is if you have a closed mind which is unreceptive to different concepts.

Eric · 04-03-2014, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Not true...the loss of any member diminshes us.

That would be "Devotions upon Emergent Occasions: Meditation XVll."

Margaret Pilkington · 04-03-2014, 14:05

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Fair play,maybe I've just not heard a "convincing opinion" yet,even with all the hard work some members have put into their comments.

Putting comments on here cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered as hard work.
You cannot be convinced of something if you do not want to be convinced, or if you are not open to a convincing explanation.
I am done with this thread.
I have said all I want to say and it is becoming one of those circular discussions which goes nowhere.
Accyexplorer, if you put up contentious threads, things which you might consider will stir up controversy(whether that be real, imagined or manufactured) then you have to be prepared for views which are at a variance to yours.....and accept the points made in honesty by other forum members.
I'm done!

Accyexplorer · 04-03-2014, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You obviously have not really taken onboard much of what has been said.
You keep on stating that this is a controversial issue - it is only controversial when you do not subscribe to it.
It makes sense to me. I can see the benefits, and they outweigh the drawbacks.
Training that the military receive is also used in the NHS. Research papers are freely available...and it is inevitable that skills learnt in the theatres of war will ultimately benefit trauma victims.

Many surgeons are members of the TA and regularly have tours of duty in places where conflicts are taking place

And I agree with Studio25...given convincing arguments you can change your mind about issues...the only time that this is impossible is if you have a closed mind which is unreceptive to different concepts.

Can these medics not do their "tests" on say test tube meat or something though it's 2014 not 1950s.
Surely with all our medical technology there are alternatives to live pigs.

Maybe I'm just unreceptive to different concepts

Accyexplorer · 04-03-2014, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Studio25

You neatly avoided my little trap.

I live up the road from an abbatoir. The animals being "processed" walk in a fenced line to their deaths, knowing what's coming. They scream, and defecate and try to escape, before watching the worker put a bolt gun to their head. And this is all to put a nice little skrink-wrapped piece of meat in your fridge. No anaesthesia there.

These danish pigs suffer no knowledge of their fate, and no pain. And this is all to help increase the chance of survival of a battlefield soldier or (when the medic's tour of duty is over) a drive-by victim in the inner city.

If you're a vegetarian you'll probably get less friction by starting a thread on how inhuman it is to eat meat. If you do eat meat, Well then, that would make you a hypocrite.

(I'm not a vegetarian, BTW.)

How do you know for sure that they have 'no knowledge of their fate' or suffer any 'pain'?

Less · 04-03-2014, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Can these medics not do their "tests" on say test tube meat or something though it's 2014 not 1950s.
Surely with all our medical technology there are alternatives to live pigs.

Maybe I'm just unreceptive to different concepts

Same question as yesterday, just being served up in a different wrapper.

You lack imagination as well as wit.

Accyexplorer · 04-03-2014, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Less

Same question as yesterday, just being served up in a different wrapper.

You lack imagination as well as wit.

And your full of wit (well at least something that rhymes with it)