Animals killed for training

[cashman]

If there were alternatives that gave better results, then i'm damn sure they would pursue them, That must be obvious to all but the exceedingly dense.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

And your full of wit (well at least something that rhymes with it)

Like I say lack of imagination, you aren't the first and you won't be the last to use that one. Glad you could get it in before you go.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You obviously have not really taken onboard much of what has been said.
You keep on stating that this is a controversial issue - it is only controversial when you do not subscribe to it.
It makes sense to me. I can see the benefits, and they outweigh the drawbacks.
Training that the military receive is also used in the NHS. Research papers are freely available...and it is inevitable that skills learnt in the theatres of war will ultimately benefit trauma victims.

Many surgeons are members of the TA and regularly have tours of duty in places where conflicts are taking place

And I agree with Studio25...given convincing arguments you can change your mind about issues...the only time that this is impossible is if you have a closed mind which is unreceptive to different concepts.

A closed mind is like a parachute that fails to open when you need it.

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Less

Like I say lack of imagination, you aren't the first and you won't be the last to use that one. Glad you could get it in before you go.

Like most of your low grade comments it's probably not original.......... Go?,go where?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

go where?

Asking for directions? All the exits are clearly marked, just don't let the door hit your arse as you go through.

[Studio25]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

How do you know for sure that they have 'no knowledge of their fate' or suffer any 'pain'?

I don't know for sure - I've never been to Denmark let alone seen livestock being used for training.

My only evidence for thinking they don't suffer is that it says they are anaesthetised in the link YOU supplied at the top of the thread.

[Gordon Booth]

I would have thought someone so sensitive to the death of an unconscious pig would have been voicing a lot more qualms about halal and kosher slaughter- a fully conscious animal having it's throat cut right to the spine then left to bleed to death. Now there is a practice which needs reviewing!

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

I would have thought someone so sensitive to the death of an unconscious pig would have been voicing a lot more qualms about halal and kosher slaughter- a fully conscious animal having it's throat cut right to the spine then left to bleed to death. Now there is a practice which needs reviewing!

Just read post #238 on the Death of a Woolwich Soldier.

Sensitive to the pigs death but not to its entrails being used as some primitive totem or spell Gordon.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Just read post #238 on the Death of a Woolwich Soldier.

Sensitive to the pigs death but not to its entrails being used as some primitive totem or spell Gordon.

Its whatever suits at the time "D"

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Studio25

I don't know for sure - I've never been to Denmark let alone seen livestock being used for training.

My only evidence for thinking they don't suffer is that it says they are anaesthetised in the link YOU supplied at the top of the thread.

As you know,If there is one thing about reading papers it's not to believe the properganda they push.
In the pics it shows the pigs mouth taped up,now Margaret suggested it maybe because of when they come round,but I think it's more to stop them biting if they don't use enough anaesthetic like in the clip I posted,which would suggest they do feel these 'procedures'.
Perhaps I'm a new age hippy but didn't know it

[cashman]

Or perhaps let out,when certain institutions closed down.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

As you know,If there is one thing about reading papers it's not to believe the properganda they push.

How do you know he knows?

Clairvoyant as well as obsessive eh?

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

In the pics it shows the pigs mouth taped up,now Margaret suggested it maybe because of when they come round,but I think it's more to stop them biting if they don't use enough anaesthetic like in the clip I posted,which would suggest they do feel these 'procedures'.

I would put my trust in Margaret's theories long before I wasted a pinch of salt on any theory you put forward after reading your recent posts.

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Perhaps I'm a new age hippy but didn't know it

Nope just dumb, if you weren't dumb you would know you aren't a hippy.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Just read post #238 on the Death of a Woolwich Soldier.

Sensitive to the pigs death but not to its entrails being used as some primitive totem or spell Gordon.

Good memory, DtheP!

His post 231 on that thread is also the post of a sensitive, humane man.

A bit of a 'man for all seasons'.

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Less

How do you know he knows?

Clairvoyant as well as obsessive eh?





I would put my trust in Margaret's theories long before I wasted a pinch of salt on any theory you put forward after reading your recent posts.



Nope just dumb, if you weren't dumb you would know you aren't a hippy.

I know he knows because every other comment on Accyweb that has a link to a paper says so.
Now now less,keep a eye on the old blood pressure cock(er).

[Less]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

I know he knows because every other comment on Accyweb that has a link to a paper says so.

Allow me to correct you, (yet again), you can only assume he has read every other comment therefore you can only assume he knows, I think we can throw the above post onto the growing, Accyexplorer doesn't know what he's talking about pile.

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Now now less,keep a eye on the old blood pressure cock(er).

Ah, now I know you really are hoping, that you now have the upper hand in smart arse retorts!

Nope sorry, I never even break into a sweat when allowing folk like you to show themselves up. So perhaps it's time you took a close look at your self esteem? The mask seems to be slipping.