anti terror law

SPUGGIE J · 13-09-2005, 20:05

Well the moment is near when the refinery up this neck of the woods might have a blocked or not depending on wether the anti terror law is used. Could somebodyexplain in nice plain English why the right to protest would need to be govened by the anti terror law on what is "alledgedly" a democratic right. People will be at the refinery west gate if allowed to get that close to voice a genuine opinion and if like the last one the only wepons there will be the police.

If they say that it is a "terrorist" action to stand by a gate and voice an opinion does that mean strikers would be treated the same? Will there be a "Guantanamo Bay" lock up full of ordinary people who's only crime on the day was to complain about the cost of fuel. Just imagine some mother locked up because she thinks petrol is to dear and as she needs her car a price increase hurts the purse.

The closest this gets is to being terrorism is economic as vice president Brown dare not consider losing a days tax from fuel. So president Blair agree's that is terrorism and allows for the full weight of the act to come into force. Does this mean that the striking bus drivers are to be arrested because they want a pay rise and are on strike? Well no because it dosnt affect the govenment so it isnt terror but the economic arguement is the same here they want a fair rise the boss says no. End result all out with banners. Now the fuel blockade would be the same yet treated different what a state this country is in.

If president Blair is worried along with the vice president about the cost to the coffers of a protest then what happens when Joe June Julie and John Public cannot afford to run a car what then? Easy they cut the tax which would show that this whole carryon is about being legally approved pirates.

But pirates usually get hung so they had better whatch out. I wounder if a pirate could be considered a terrorist and if so .......well I'll leave that thought to you.

Acrylic-bob · 13-09-2005, 20:31

Well, I hate to appear smug and I hate to tell you all "I told you so", but you were all warned before the last election, on tv, on the net and in the papers, that if they were re-elected Labour would start to tax you till your pips squeaked. You did not head the warning and elected a proven liar and his rag-tag collection of strangers to the truth and economic incompetants for another five years in mis-government.

If you do not like what Vice-President Brown is doing with the economy you have only yourselves to blame!

Labour policy is the same now as it always has been TAX AND SPEND! The "Prudent Iron Chancellor" is a facade erected by New Labour to hide fiscal mismanagement on a frightening scale.

Blair will do or say anything to remain in office. That includes getting his wife knocked up to secure a second term, Lying to Parliament, and lying to the people who put their trust in him and taking the country to war to try and secure a third term. Anyone who believes that he will step down before the next election will believe anything and should not really be allowed out of the house on their own.

Bazf · 13-09-2005, 21:15

I think any place that stores fuel, water, Uranium and any life sustaining thing should come under the protection of the goverment, if that means using the terrorist act then so be it, I bet you would be the first to complain when an actual terrorist blew up the place, why wasn't it protected or what are the goverment doing to protect us. As for the protesters how are they going to get there? walk? no use cars but then deprive other people from using theirs. One last thing how many of these protesters have been checked out to find out if a terrorist is among them, easiest thing in the world join a protest then take it that extra step.

SPUGGIE J · 14-09-2005, 08:23

The tanker filling points at Grangemouth are some distance from the gate were they would protest. Nnless the alleged terrorist turned up with the minimum of a RPG slung over his shoulder the refinery would be ok. There argument seems to be with the English govenment ie President Blair so we could be safe here fore a while. If it went up anything within a 5 mile radius would be obliterated and the fire fighting would start at Camelon and Blackness.

WillowTheWhisp · 14-09-2005, 08:29

I think Bazf has a point. It isn't implying that the protestors are terrorists for being protestors, it is acting with caution in case there are terrorists amongst the protestors and if a potential "situation" got out of hand and somebody did something nasty then we'd have more cause to complain.

I think the idea of obliterating everything within a 5 mile radius may well appeal to terrorists, don't you?

You could look on it as protection for the protestors too.

vorlon24 · 14-09-2005, 08:44

But A-b, I didn't vote for Labour.

What does that make me?

SPUGGIE J · 14-09-2005, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I think Bazf has a point. It isn't implying that the protestors are terrorists for being protestors, it is acting with caution in case there are terrorists amongst the protestors and if a potential "situation" got out of hand and somebody did something nasty then we'd have more cause to complain.

I think the idea of obliterating everything within a 5 mile radius may well appeal to terrorists, don't you?

You could look on it as protection for the protestors too.

I'll find out after work when I take a jaunt down to see whats going on (might sneak in through the docks). It was very peaceful last time so it shouldnt be different this time. Police drive cars and it hurts there pocket too.

SPUGGIE J · 14-09-2005, 10:53

With some of the things I have seen when i worked there and what mates who stil lwork there say you wouldnt need a terrorist .

Acrylic-bob · 14-09-2005, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by vorlon24

But A-b, I didn't vote for Labour.

What does that make me?

Probably about as frustrated and helpless as me, mate.

SPUGGIE J · 14-09-2005, 17:50

Well it is all quiet at the west gate front not a terrorist in site but there are still 2 days to go. Mid you thepolice parking is the worst I have ever seen especially on a dual carrigeway.

cashman · 14-09-2005, 18:56

hey spug they don,t need to picket! the media has caused all the panic going as usual lolll

SPUGGIE J · 14-09-2005, 19:07

True but seeing the police close to panic at what might happen is giving people a good giggle up this neck of the woods, well all except the butty box man he thought his cash cow had arrived.

Bazf · 15-09-2005, 12:42

I see your point, only one protester, must be the same person organising the protest that organised the UK Independence Party.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1940602005

SPUGGIE J · 15-09-2005, 14:55

Not sure if anyone is there today but I doubt it. People are grinning and baring this time as nature "alledgedly" had a hand.