Anyone have clinical waste collection? - Page 5

Less · 09-09-2011, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Won't two smelly bins just smell twice as much as one? Especialy after 2 weeks in the sun!
That's not the answer.

No it's not the answer, one thing I'm wondering, how many people at the Town Hall now spend their time just fobbing off these customers?

jaysay · 19-09-2011, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

It seems that the power of Accyweb remains as strong as ever since the mythical tongue-in-cheek figure that I attributed to this scheme last year was wheeled out as a hideously embarrassing miscalculation at Cabinet this week.

I was so embarrassed. Pity then that the offending post was attributed to the wrong councillor.

This year I confidently predict that a revised scheme will cost up to twenty quid less than the £6.6m I 'calculated' in 2010 and that we will probably only be able to provide 8bn bags of grit, not the 16bn I originally envisaged.

My apologies for any flippancy which may have escaped the sarcasm detector.

See I wasn't wrong our Labour throng are still alive and kick the previous administration at every opportunity, maybe you'd now like to address accymans concerns about the proposed scrapping of clinical waste disposal, the thread he started on the issue must just have skipped your attention Ken

(edit - I have moved this post and several others from another thread to keep the discussion in one place. That is why Kens post quoted above is not in this thread - Neil

cashman · 19-09-2011, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

It has actually John, my apologies for being absent for a little while.

The clinical waste collections are going to be one of those neat little ideas that certain people latch on to as a prime example of Labour's scandalous treatment of the electorate and by cutting this vital frontline service it only proves what a bunch of careless morons they really are.

Or something.

In actual fact the clinical waste collections affect less than 60 residents across the whole borough as far as I am aware and changes to classifications of waste mean that there is virtually no loss of amenity at all as it can be safely disposed of with general household waste. The doomsayers out there may be predicting that armies of residents will be forced to flytip tons of radioactive waste and infected needles but the truth is quite different.

A motion on this subject has been moved for Thursday's full council meeting by the Conservatives:

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...Council_1_.pdf

so are yeh saying less than 60 don't matter? its ruddy scandalous n fer the first time in me life i agree wi P.B.

Ken Moss · 19-09-2011, 22:31

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Originally Posted by cashman

so are yeh saying less than 60 don't matter? its ruddy scandalous n fer the first time in me life i agree wi P.B.

Not at all Cashy, but it's one of those arguments which has the potential to be blown out of all proportion when no one is actually losing out on anything. A full discussion about it will be had on Thursday night at the Council meeting but this is a very cheap political point scoring exercise which relies on the public not being fully informed about what it actually means.

No one is going likely lose out on any amenity by scrapping clinical waste collections.

cashman · 19-09-2011, 22:37

sorry disagree, if so few people involved to my mind it would be neither difficult or costly fer Labour to consult wi those poor sods, n if yer correct and can demonstrate to em, that would kill any political point scoring. knowing one of em meself i doubt if yeh could.

Ken Moss · 19-09-2011, 22:43

As far as I am aware from discussions I had some months ago with the head of the Waste Department, staff need to be taken off other duties in order to collect 'clinical' waste from a relatively small number of residents. This waste has recently been reclassified and can now be disposed of harmlessly along with other household waste, hence it frees up members of HBC staff to work on other things and save both time and money.

There is no council conspiracy to deprive the minority of a vital service although that is not what some people would have you believe. Further answers to this will be given on Thursday night by people right at the heart of it but it's not the major scandal that it's being publicised as.

shillelagh · 19-09-2011, 22:48

its alright ken .. im not in hyndburn borough .. but im in hyndburns constituency ... thing is my labour party membership is up for renewal soon ... and im actually thinking for the first time since the age of 21 (my membership was paid for me for the first 5 years) that i will cancel the membership ... as far as im concerned .. the clinical waste should be taken away at least weekly .. preferably it should go daily ... how would you like to open your bin and have the smell of .10 day old .... (you know what i mean) greet you when you putting your rubbish in ...

cashman · 19-09-2011, 22:52

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

As far as I am aware from discussions I had some months ago with the head of the Waste Department, staff need to be taken off other duties in order to collect 'clinical' waste from a relatively small number of residents. This waste has recently been reclassified and can now be disposed of harmlessly along with other household waste, hence it frees up members of HBC staff to work on other things and save both time and money.

There is no council conspiracy to deprive the minority of a vital service although that is not what some people would have you believe. Further answers to this will be given on Thursday night by people right at the heart of it but it's not the major scandal that it's being publicised as.

Exactly head of waste department not the ruddy folk it affects, that says it all to me,

Ken Moss · 19-09-2011, 22:55

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

its alright ken .. im not in hyndburn borough .. but im in hyndburns constituency ... thing is my labour party membership is up for renewal soon ... and im actually thinking for the first time since the age of 21 (my membership was paid for me for the first 5 years) that i will cancel the membership ... as far as im concerned .. the clinical waste should be taken away at least weekly .. preferably it should go daily ... how would you like to open your bin and have the smell of .10 day old .... (you know what i mean) greet you when you putting your rubbish in ...

I take your point Jen, although to be honest I'm not the man to give you the best answers as it isn't something that I personally have gone into in any depth. The clinical waste items that I understand have been declassified are things such as bandages and gloves, I would have to leave it to someone better informed to answer your query.

Thursday night is your best bet.

Ken Moss · 19-09-2011, 22:58

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Originally Posted by cashman

Exactly head of waste department not the ruddy folk it affects, that says it all to me,

It wasn't actually what I went to speak to them about, it just happened to crop up as an area where savings may be made in the future and it certainly wouldn't have been down to me to make that decision in any case.

I can't give a definitive answer to everything but I will always endeavour to point people in the right direction.

cashman · 19-09-2011, 23:05

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Originally Posted by cashman

Exactly head of waste department not the ruddy folk it affects, that says it all to me,

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

It wasn't actually what I went to speak to them about, it just happened to crop up as an area where savings may be made in the future and it certainly wouldn't have been down to me to make that decision in any case.

I can't give a definitive answer to everything but I will always endeavour to point people in the right direction.

Never thought it was down to you Ken, thats why i posted that, but did have yeh down as a fair minded guy, silly me.

accyman · 20-09-2011, 00:02

Ken i have rang up repeatedly as have others and been given a different tale each time.Any confusion about what is what is down to departments and people effected not been given information.The leaflet that i should have received is vague at best.This seems to have been pushed through very quickly and none of the departments told what is going on so they dont have a clue what to tell us.

Other councils may not have a clinical waste service but the majority of councils have now switched back to weekly collections so 1 bin does not have to last 14 days .

One time i am told an inspector will have to come and see how i manage my waste the next i am told i will automatically get an extra bin.Either way 14 days is a long time to have crap,blood soaked swabs and urine soaked pads festering in a bin especially adult portions and i for one am not looking forward to day 13 when i have to shove down hard on it to make it fit with the lid shut as to regulation.

Would the council remove wheelchair ramps from all its buildings because only a handful of people use them ?

As i said in the thread i started about this matter you came up with some good ideas to save money but this certainly wasnt on the list.

Its all well and good having a meeting about it but the majority of the people effected are in no condition to get there in fact some are incapable of writing yet alone travel anywhere.We have bigger issues at hand than to be concerned about having to protest about having our bodily waste taken away in a dignified manner.

Without seeing a list of people who need clinical waste collection i will have to take the councils word that it is only 35 people in the whole of hyndburn that have a medical condition like mine or worse but it seems extreemly low considering how many people i come into contact with at hospital and how busy my surgeon/ specialist is with my condition alone at the clinic he holds in accrington for the people of accrington,clayton , great harwood, baxenden etc.

I also rang the district nurses who had no idea this was happening and were also appalled by the decision as poop, blood, urine etc falls under clinical waste as far as they are concerned.

thankyou though for commenting on the issue. I was rather miffed at the lack of input on my thread considering how many labor folk frequent this forum.

Although i disagree strongly with what you have said at least you said something

accyman · 20-09-2011, 00:18

ribble valley clinical waste

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Examples of clinical waste include:

Human or animal tissue
Blood or other bodily fluids
Excretions
Drugs or other pharmaceutical products
Swabs or dressings
Syringes, needles or other sharp instruments

Can i ask why ribble valley's definition of clinical waste differs from Hyndburns.

Seriously joking aside one dodgy curry and my grey bin aint going to be a picnic for the binmen to empty