Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?

[BERNADETTE]

Well I have read this thread from the beginning and it is obvious to me that it is just an excuse to try and have a go at PB, if this is how council meetings go ie "you said this you did that", is it any wonder things are so bad?
In fact I would go as far as to say it really was not a subject for GC but that is just my opinion. Makes me wonder if all requests for FIO are to be made public? To my mind this should have been conducted in private, there was no need to create a thread here.

[cashman]

ya gotta be kidding bernie,this is up fer thread of the year.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by cashman

ya gotta be kidding bernie,this is up fer thread of the year.

Your correct nice to know you janet.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by cashman

ya gotta be kidding bernie,this is up fer thread of the year.

Your correct nice to have met you Janet.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Although i admit not to being an expert on politics i will try to answer your question as honestly as i am able firstly the state of the N.H.S. the economic crisis, crime rates all the cut backs people have never been so dissatisfied with a labour government i believe after voting labour all my life its time for change and really have confidence in DAVID CAMERON as do many others.

Crime Rates; They are down 20% this year (The Tories advertise this as their success). They were down 20% last year. Are you aware you are being misled?

Against our comparative group of 15 areas (all East Lancs ex RV + nationwide) we are now have the lowest crime rate amongst this group (and falling).

The lowest reported crime that is. The highest solved crime rate as well at 40%.I think NuLab are the ONLY government post war to actually cut crime.

David Cameron
1. Says he'll cut cash to Hyndburn.
2. Says he wants poor people to be able to afford houses by cutting back on insulation and build quality
3. Says he wants Georgia to join NATO till someone pointed out that would mean we are obliged to go to war with Russia to defend Georgian sovereignty. cameron decided to go out and promise Georgian's that before British diplomats form the Government got out there to deal with the situation.
4. Said the banks were too heavily regulated and need more freedoms. Now doesn't know whether to support nationalisation or not.
5. Is opposed to Nuclear Power yet has no solution to stop the lights going out. Will end up doubling Britain's 48m tonnes of imported (dirty) Russian coal to keep the lights on.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Well theres those as well i have come across them but no labour voters

Well if there's a General Election tomorrow I'll be voting for Greg Pope, who happens to be a Labour M.P.

There's much I disagree with what this government have done, but since 1997 they've also done some good things, such as the introduction of the minimum wage, and changed some antiquated discrimatory laws, and in my opinion have at least strived to bring about equality for those who need it most in our society.

I'm not a member of the Labout party, nor have I always voted Labour, though I have always voted.

For me Greg Pope is the best possible M.P. for Hyndburn at this moment in time.

There is no way on God's Earth I could possibly vote for the twice selected, and thankfully twice rejected, Conservative candidate Peter Britciffe, if they decide to field him once again.

His ludicrous attempts to waste public money by blindly pushing his egotistical schemes in Hyndburn are quite frankly frightening.

The arrogant but dim attitude of the local Conservative party, as well as the unworldy toffs in charge of the national Conservative party, are the two main reasons I won't be voting Conservative in the near future.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Point taken, and I'll try to clarify what I meant.

To me it seems apparent that some good voices are being silenced in Hyndburn. We've been given examples in this thread where members of the public have tried to ask questions at public meetings, and they have been quashed, and dismissed as being 'rude'. (I'll try to resist a kettle/black comment here.)

From other posts on Accy Web there is evidence that councillors are being sidelined and ignored, because they aren't in the inner sanctum of the cabinet.

I've said recently in another thread that Cllr. Britcliffe is a very good councillor for his ward, and obviously the people who kept him elected for twenty six years think the same.

Sadly we have a system whereby the party who polls the most councillors forms the ruling body of the council, and then they decide who the leader will be, and that's democratically fair.

However we end up with a council leader, in a very powerful position, who wasn't elected to that position by the people of the borough as a whole.

I know that is the system we have, and there is little chance of it being changed, and the same criticism could also be levelled at national level, in that we vote for an M.P., but then have a P.M. foisted on us by the party who secured the most seats.

In Hyndburn I do think we have a council leader whose egotism clouds the issue when it comes to what is best for the borough. There have been many ludicrous, costly schemes, his pet projects, which thankfully have been shelved.

Again I feel like I'm repeating myself, but if I thought the leadership of H.B.C. was good, you'd certainly hear no complaints from me.

Living in Labour controlled Lambeth was hell, and I paid the highest Poll Tax in the land for the privilege. On the other hand when I moved to the neighbouring borough of Conservative Wandsworth, we paid the lowest Poll then Council Tax in England, and were served by a fantastic council. Similarly Labour controlled Glasgow City Council provided it's residents with excellent services, and value for money. So I do feel able to make comparisons.

To me the issue isn't party politics, it's about competence, and happily, unlike councillors who aren't part of the inner circle at H.B.C., and people at public meetings who dare to voice their opinions and questions, I can't be silenced, and this forum lets me, as well as everyone else, have their voice heard.

You accuse Claytonender of 'stooping low' yet I've highlighted the same issues she mentioned in the post I've quoted above, and yet you make no comment, or accuse me of 'stooping so low'.

Is it because I'm not a member of any political party, and see the same things from an independent point of view, which means you then can't blindly attack Labour?

Which quite frankly is becoming a bit of a yawn, and as boring as the blinkerd views Mancie spouts on here when he's drunk.

[Caz]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Well I have read this thread from the beginning and it is obvious to me that it is just an excuse to try and have a go at PB, if this is how council meetings go ie "you said this you did that", is it any wonder things are so bad?
In fact I would go as far as to say it really was not a subject for GC but that is just my opinion. Makes me wonder if all requests for FIO are to be made public? To my mind this should have been conducted in private, there was no need to create a thread here.

If a person makes a request through the FOI I see no reason why it should not be made public. I also see no reason why people should be able to make requests anonomously, but they can. Makes a mockery of the whole thing in my mind, as people can have ulterior motives. As for having a go at PB, where does it say we are all labour voters? And if they want to have a go at PB, so B..... what. He is here to represent us supposedly.

[cashman]

even Greg Pope is a member on here n comes on when time allows, he certainly aint afraid to face the public. conservative councillors where are you?

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by g jones

Crime Rates; They are down 20% this year (The Tories advertise this as their success). They were down 20% last year. Are you aware you are being misled?

Against our comparative group of 15 areas (all East Lancs ex RV + nationwide) we are now have the lowest crime rate amongst this group (and falling).

The lowest reported crime that is. The highest solved crime rate as well at 40%.I think NuLab are the ONLY government post war to actually cut crime.

David Cameron
1. Says he'll cut cash to Hyndburn.
2. Says he wants poor people to be able to afford houses by cutting back on insulation and build quality
3. Says he wants Georgia to join NATO till someone pointed out that would mean we are obliged to go to war with Russia to defend Georgian sovereignty. cameron decided to go out and promise Georgian's that before British diplomats form the Government got out there to deal with the situation.
4. Said the banks were too heavily regulated and need more freedoms. Now doesn't know whether to support nationalisation or not.
5. Is opposed to Nuclear Power yet has no solution to stop the lights going out. Will end up doubling Britain's 48m tonnes of imported (dirty) Russian coal to keep the lights on.

In reply watch this space in terms of crime rates health related issues just how they will esculate now under this government these are my real concerns also how the economic climate will have a major impact on all root cause labour government indeed its time for change

[Caz]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

In reply watch this space in terms of crime rates health related issues just how they will esculate now under this government these are my real concerns also how the economic climate will have a major impact on all root cause labour government indeed its time for change

So what do you think a tory government will do on these issues? In reality, not just speil when they are in opposition?

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by Caz

If a person makes a request through the FOI I see no reason why it should not be made public. I also see no reason why people should be able to make requests anonomously, but they can. Makes a mockery of the whole thing in my mind, as people can have ulterior motives. As for having a go at PB, where does it say we are all labour voters? And if they want to have a go at PB, so B..... what. He is here to represent us supposedly.

I have no problem with things being made public but in this case it was just done in a dummy thrown out of the pram way IMO. Why did Andrew ask for the info? Only he can answer that but then again he did. He said it was for a uni project and who are we to disbelieve him? Seems to me if he had asked for it anonomously this thread would not exist. It just seems to me that the majority of councillors that post on here are only out to have a pop all the time. If PB was such a bad councillor would he have retained power in his ward for so long?

[Caz]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

I have no problem with things being made public but in this case it was just done in a dummy thrown out of the pram way IMO. Why did Andrew ask for the info? Only he can answer that but then again he did. He said it was for a uni project and who are we to disbelieve him? Seems to me if he had asked for it anonomously this thread would not exist. It just seems to me that the majority of councillors that post on here are only out to have a pop all the time. If PB was such a bad councillor would he have retained power in his ward for so long?

He said it was for a uni project, so why didn't he request info on all councillors, not just Labour

Answer to PB still being in power? Apathetic constituents, just like turkish delight

[garinda]

Well I've read this thread from begining to end as well, and the main conclusion is that Labour in Hyndburn is certainly more of an open book, both in what they publicly say, and also because they are willing to be questioned here on a public forum.

The invisibility of councillors from other parties, prepared to debate issues the general public care about, is very telling.

They obviously haven't got the bottle, and/or the confidence to attemp it.

Instead we are left with those on the periphery to pass on their thoughts. The 'I rarely speak to him' and the 'I've spoken to him on the phone, but haven't seen him in person since May' brigade.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

In reply watch this space in terms of crime rates health related issues just how they will esculate now under this government these are my real concerns also how the economic climate will have a major impact on all root cause labour government indeed its time for change

why have ya insider knowledge? crime rates are down,under this government fact, so where are they going to escalate? if they were rising sharply i would agree on this ya got me baffled.