Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Andrew have you any proof that it was the last Labour administration (which was in power from May 2002 to May 2003) that accumulated the debt, or are you taking Peter's word for it. What happened between 1999 and May 2002?

I could give you a long list of what the Labour government has done to benefit the people of this country but really can't be bothered.

Why are you not asking questions about the losses that the Leisure Services are making?

Graham is speaking the truth when he says the current administration of Hyndburn Council is 'not fit for purpose'. They are ignoring lots of problems - have excluded certain areas of the borough (such as Church Kirk) from the re generation money. I have seen the minutes of the Housing Market Renewal panel - which showed all the areas that met the criterion for Elevate money, and know which areas were excluded. Peter Britcliffe claimed at the last Council meeting that Elevate specified which areas the money had to be spent in and that Hyndburn Council had no say in the matter. That is all smoke and mirrors - Elevate specified the areas within Hyndburn that were elegilble for re generation money but the Tory administration choose which of these areas to spend the money in.

What about the minibuses with potentially unsafe second hand rear seats? Other authorities insisted that the minibuses passed a very rigourous test immediately, but Peter Britcliffe allowed them 6 months to satisfy the safety test. How would you feel if you where (or more importantly your child or grandchild - as many are used for schoolruns) in a minibus and were unsure if it was safe? If there is a serious accident - will Hyndburn then be prosecuted under the Corporate Manslaughter legislation.

I could go on and on but maybe I have given you some more reasons to request FOI on same very serious subjects.

Incidentally your mother seems to have suddenly developed some political ideas in just a few hours - remarkable.

Yes i have i guess im finding out now just wants going on and it interests me i just may start to attend these council meetings and be aware of who my councillor is to be frank i never thought forgive me for my ignorance that the council had much power on issues but now i understand they have but i have always been more concerned with the national agenda where the real power is.I guess everyone has start somewhere.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Andrew as a concerned Hyndburn resident regarding the labour government i asked the question last night on here why would anyone vote labour? In response i was given two in-depth views and also some factual information from two labour councillors. I pose the same question to you why should people vote conservative? would appreciate a response to enable me to make a comparative in-formed view to me its clearly obvious in these very worrying social and economic times my concerns are crime rates divorce rates health and mental health disorders drug and alcohol problems will increase and have a major impact on families and are current economic crisis i feel this is only the beginning under this government and there is indeed a real need for change correct me if im wrong.Its a sad state of affairs in the 21st century people have to choose between eating and heating.

Good to see another attack on Labour was the priority over answering this post

[blazey]

Originally Posted by g jones

The Freedom of Information Act is a good piece of legislation that has come in recently.

I have nothing to hide to I am pleased to tell everyone on here that AndrewB, probably on instructions from Peter Britcliffe, is doing his own personal best to make sure that my reputation remains.

Andrew has tabled an FOI on my expenses. I could have told him personally if he had contacted me first but not to worry.

It was a seedy request because The Council has ALWAYS gone to the annual LGA Conference. 3 Tories and 2 Labour. For the last 5 years I have been once and turned it down 4 times. No-one knows (or would faintly remember) that except Peter Britcliffe.

Andrews FOI is not for the 4 years I did not go. It only asks for the year I did (with Jean Battle Labour and 3 Tories). How did you know which year to pick Andrew, I am impressed!!!!!! We were put in a reasonable hotel, the 3 Tories refused that one and booked in a much nicer, more expensive one. I remember myself and Jean having a laugh at how they just can't stop themselves. (BTW Ring Jean Battles no is the book - anyone can ring her)

It was 4 days. The LGA pass was £204.44 for delegates. The Hotel for 4 nights was £323.40. Nice try Andrew. The best bit is the food and travel allowance I claimed was £0. Come Andrew... you asked... now have the guts to tell everyone all about me !!!!

Andrew also did a FOI for something only Peter Britcliffe knows. Mobile tariffs...... I have a big Council Mobile Phone Bill £100 month combined..... and Andrew wants to tell you all about it first as Peter Britcliffe never knew how it happened, just it did.... (How did you know to ask that question Andrew??? - Devils dirty work perhaps - the black art of politics??)

What Andrew did not FOI was my mileage or carers allowance... Peter Britcliffe knows it it is £0.

The Tories have been furiously sending FOI to County Council etc.. to dish the dirt on someone else to cover up their own policies...

Some come on Andrew, how did you know where to fire the blank bullets and where not too?? Tell all the board members your reasons for doing it and why you excluded many aspects of allowances and only asked (or was told to ask) where I had ex's!!

.. I hope you're not on that Wikipedia still

Pathetic. Can we now get on with making this Borough great.

To be fair it's completely ludicrous that we should have to request the information in the first place. It should be simply accessible without having to ask.

It should be a right to have access to this information, not a permission.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by andrewb

To be frank, the politics of Hyndburn makes me sick. I am absolutely shocked at the way Labour councillors come on here, and spread their misleading information.

It's very much an open forum, the right to reply is open to any other councillor of any political persuasion. Use your contacts and get them on here instead of you being the unofficial spokesman.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Andrew as a concerned Hyndburn resident regarding the labour government i asked the question last night on here why would anyone vote labour? In response i was given two in-depth views and also some factual information from two labour councillors. I pose the same question to you why should people vote conservative? would appreciate a response to enable me to make a comparative in-formed view to me its clearly obvious in these very worrying social and economic times my concerns are crime rates divorce rates health and mental health disorders drug and alcohol problems will increase and have a major impact on families and are current economic crisis i feel this is only the beginning under this government and there is indeed a real need for change correct me if im wrong.Its a sad state of affairs in the 21st century people have to choose between eating and heating.

I can't say for definate that a Conservative government would lower divorce rates, but what I can say is at the moment the tax system benefits some couples to live apart. It's actually financially better for them to not live together. How wrong is that! The Conservatives would put an end to it.

Both the NHS and prisons, need to be better equipped to deal with the problems of mental health, and addictions, which I am sure will increase with the economic disaster we're experiencing. It's wrong to think that just throwing money at the NHS will help. That money has to be spent properly, on patients. Labour have failed to deliver on that. It's right that we should put more money into rehabilitating people addicted to drugs. That's the only way we're going to fix their problem. Simply locking them up, will ensure they'll be back on drugs causing crime whenever they're out.

Tougher sentencing for crime! If you carry a knife, you should be locked up. Plain and simple. If you carry a knife, you carry the intent to use it. If you had the worry of being locked behind bars for carrying the object, people would think twice.

Labour have ruined the economy. An end to 'boom and bust' we were told by Gordon Brown. It's fact that Gordon Brown's 1998 regulation tinkering effectively stopped regulation in its tracks, it's also fact that the Conservatives voted against it. It's allowed a massive bubble, a boom, to accumulate and burst. Yes it's a global recession, but never, ever forget that we are the worst positioned industrialised country in the world to weather this recession. There was no attempt to fix a roof over our heads while the sun was shining. The worst of it is, the poorest are going to suffer the most from Labours economic mess.

For some of the good Labour policies have done, they've done an awful lot of bad. I don't however believe you can spend your way out of a recession. You ask about heating, the Conservatives want to provide grants to help insulate homes, make them a better container of heat, be more environmentally friendly, and with this you save money, which can be spent elsewhere.

It is time for change you're right.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Yes i have i guess im finding out now just wants going on and it interests me i just may start to attend these council meetings and be aware of who my councillor is to be frank i never thought forgive me for my ignorance that the council had much power on issues but now i understand they have but i have always been more concerned with the national agenda where the real power is.I guess everyone has start somewhere.

Refering to the safety mini buses i agree with you on that one but find it surprising that an health and safety officer for the council did not over-ride this issue.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

It's very much an open forum, the right to reply is open to any other councillor of any political persuasion. Use your contacts and get them on here instead of you being the unofficial spokesman.

I guess the contacts would be making better use of there time as i am in-formed they run a good borough hense they are always elected, but i take your point.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by blazey

To be fair it's completely ludicrous that we should have to request the information in the first place. It should be simply accessible without having to ask.

It should be a right to have access to this information, not a permission.

The right to access the information is there as andrew had proved, just that you have to ask. I agree with you regarding it being easily available. Should be online for anyone to see.

[garinda]

Perhaps this mummy/son bonding might be better carried out via pm, or on one of the messenger services.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by andrewb

I can't say for definate that a Conservative government would lower divorce rates, but what I can say is at the moment the tax system benefits some couples to live apart. It's actually financially better for them to not live together. How wrong is that! The Conservatives would put an end to it.

Both the NHS and prisons, need to be better equipped to deal with the problems of mental health, and addictions, which I am sure will increase with the economic disaster we're experiencing. It's wrong to think that just throwing money at the NHS will help. That money has to be spent properly, on patients. Labour have failed to deliver on that. It's right that we should put more money into rehabilitating people addicted to drugs. That's the only way we're going to fix their problem. Simply locking them up, will ensure they'll be back on drugs causing crime whenever they're out.

Tougher sentencing for crime! If you carry a knife, you should be locked up. Plain and simple. If you carry a knife, you carry the intent to use it. If you had the worry of being locked behind bars for carrying the object, people would think twice.

Labour have ruined the economy. An end to 'boom and bust' we were told by Gordon Brown. It's fact that Gordon Brown's 1998 regulation tinkering effectively stopped regulation in its tracks, it's also fact that the Conservatives voted against it. It's allowed a massive bubble, a boom, to accumulate and burst. Yes it's a global recession, but never, ever forget that we are the worst positioned industrialised country in the world to weather this recession. There was no attempt to fix a roof over our heads while the sun was shining. The worst of it is, the poorest are going to suffer the most from Labours economic mess.

For some of the good Labour policies have done, they've done an awful lot of bad. I don't however believe you can spend your way out of a recession. You ask about heating, the Conservatives want to provide grants to help insulate homes, make them a better container of heat, be more environmentally friendly, and with this you save money, which can be spent elsewhere.

It is time for change you're right.

Thanks for your response and really i feel for the poor people who will suffer the most from labours economic mess, however the next election is easy to predict major LANDSLIDE, and i know that as it doesnt take rocket science.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps this mummy/son bonding might be better carried out via pm, or on one of the messenger services.

why?

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by garinda

How can the 'Tories be tripped up' on here, when they don't have the courage of their convictions to join the public debate?

Exactly
(spoken with a Scouse accent - although I have been drinking my milk)

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

why?

I am just as everyone else an individual hyndburn resident and requesting information about political issues to both parties to enable me to make a clear informed decision.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Good to see another attack on Labour was the priority over answering this post

I dont feel you can ever over answer a question even if you just gain one vote i would go with a more in-formed decision the more information the better.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

How can the 'Tories be tripped up' on here, when they don't have the courage of their convictions to join the public debate?

We might not have an excellent council, as rated by the audit commission, if they spent all their time responding to Labour misleading people on AccringtonWeb. There's a very open debate for everybody to see called council. It's a shame expenses are not so open, then I wouldn't have had to FOI request them, and councillor Jones wouldn't have tried to trip the Tories up by starting this thread. Shame really, because it's all the Labour councillors whining, not a single Conservative councillor has contacted me over the issue, not even the leader himself.