Are I.D. cards a good thing? - Page 3

garinda · 19-11-2008, 16:24

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Hey Garinda, Nietzsche broke down in the street crying and spent the rest of his life in a mental hospital - so is that what happens if you laugh for no reason ha ha ha!

I'm much tougher than he was, and find great relief from mental strain by laughing at the paranoia of the other imbeciles.

jaysay · 19-11-2008, 17:12

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Originally Posted by garinda

Where will this Orwellian nightmare end?

They'll be issuing us all with cradle to grave identity numbers next.

What?

They already do?

A unique National Insurance number?

I am a free man, not a number.

Not as you'd notice

jambutty · 19-11-2008, 17:55

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Originally Posted by garinda

Where will this Orwellian nightmare end?

They'll be issuing us all with cradle to grave identity numbers next.

What?

They already do?

A unique National Insurance number?

I am a free man, not a number.

Wrong way round.

It is “I am not a number! I'm a free man!”

garinda · 19-11-2008, 18:07

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Wrong way round.

It is “I am not a number! I'm a free man!”

Er...thanks Gramps.

I do actually know the quote from The Prisoner.

You do make me laugh, being as you are, one of the oldest imbeciles in the Asylum.

Boeing Guy · 22-11-2008, 10:12

Found this on another forum relating to the ID card idea.....

Surprised they didn't just mandate a simple ID number tattooed onto one's arm - after all, it's simple, convenient, readily accessible using no special hardware and already been trialled, albeit some 70 years ago.

They could even start by choosing some segregated part of the community to be required to have an ID number in isolation. If the size of the sample is small enough any objections can be fobbed off as 'not representative of the wider community as a whole' after which another small segment could be targeted using the well known ploy 'but it has already been widely adopted by this other section of the community so you're not being singled out. On the contrary, we're being scrupulously fair by making sure you're being included too!'

As they say arbeit macht frei

garinda · 22-11-2008, 10:15

What forum was it?

School kids trailer park conspiracy theorists r us?

jambutty · 22-11-2008, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Found this on another forum relating to the ID card idea.....

Surprised they didn't just mandate a simple ID number tattooed onto one's arm - after all, it's simple, convenient, readily accessible using no special hardware and already been trialled, albeit some 70 years ago.

They could even start by choosing some segregated part of the community to be required to have an ID number in isolation. If the size of the sample is small enough any objections can be fobbed off as 'not representative of the wider community as a whole' after which another small segment could be targeted using the well known ploy 'but it has already been widely adopted by this other section of the community so you're not being singled out. On the contrary, we're being scrupulously fair by making sure you're being included too!'

As they say arbeit macht frei

The National Insurance number across the forehead could become a fashion statement.

Wasn’t there a trial in California some time back where people volunteered to have an implant in their arm, much like those ID tags for animals, that could be used for a variety of things, like banking?

jaysay · 22-11-2008, 11:23

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Originally Posted by jambutty

The National Insurance number across the forehead could become a fashion statement.

Wasn’t there a trial in California some time back where people volunteered to have an implant in their arm, much like those ID tags for animals, that could be used for a variety of things, like banking?

Ya and a lot of things you don't want to happen as well JB

Meccy · 22-11-2008, 12:59

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Originally Posted by garinda

What forum was it?

School kids trailer park conspiracy theorists r us?

Come, come Garinda. Is that the only response that you can offer? Cheap derision?

The man has a point. This happened in a supposedly civilised country - within living memory. It took just 6 years to turn a democracy into a dictatorship. Thinking that it can never happen here is the ostrich response I fear. Sadly we still need a government that will pass laws that will protect the individual from the state.

When any government has it's back against the wall, they seek to curtail the rights of the individual, generally using the excuse that is for the greater good. They rely on the apathy of the governed to sneak in oppressive legislation or, more commonly, their fear and anxiety for action against a real or imagined threat.

I feel that we need a written constitution, guaranteeing certain rights in perpetuity.

They have already discussed the removal of the right to trial by jury. What next do you think? Habeas corpus? They'd love to get rid of that one.

garinda · 22-11-2008, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Meccy

Come, come Garinda. Is that the only response that you can offer? Cheap derision?

The man has a point. This happened in a supposedly civilised country - within living memory. It took just 6 years to turn a democracy into a dictatorship. Thinking that it can never happen here is the ostrich response I fear. Sadly we still need a government that will pass laws that will protect the individual from the state.

When any government has it's back against the wall, they seek to curtail the rights of the individual, generally using the excuse that is for the greater good. They rely on the apathy of the governed to sneak in oppressive legislation or, more commonly, their fear and anxiety for action against a real or imagined threat.

I feel that we need a written constitution, guaranteeing certain rights in perpetuity.

They have already discussed the removal of the right to trial by jury. What next do you think? Habeas corpus? They'd love to get rid of that one.

Strangely whilst we were fighting Nazism, many, including my grandfather, laying down their lives, the population of this country had identity cards...to help with the security of our nation.

Can't remember many people pathetically bleating on then about their civil liberties being attacked.

garinda · 22-11-2008, 15:35

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Originally Posted by Meccy

Come, come Garinda. Is that the only response that you can offer? Cheap derision?

Di-dums.

What's happened to your sense of humour?

I thought your ideals of free speech meant that any target was fair game, if it produced even the wryest of titters?

Or does it not apply if the butt of the joke is you or your little friend?

kestrelx · 22-11-2008, 16:55

This is what I say to I.D. cards -

In the Mail today it says if you fail to tell the government any new details you will be fined starting at £125:00. For not telling them of your new address.

At the moment you can change your name for about £10:00 £20:00 understatutory declaration and as long as you don't do anything criminal that is legal. With the I.D. cards and Data Base this will be Illegal and you will have to pay more money to change your name!

The issue is why
should we accept more rules, RULES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE!

Cheers,

Kestrel X.

cashman · 22-11-2008, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Meccy

Come, come Garinda. Is that the only response that you can offer? Cheap derision?

The man has a point.

what forum was it, seems a reasonable enough question to me, if the man has a point, then back his information up, nowt wrong wi that. but then being the devious git i am, i suspect you n the poster are someway connected.

garinda · 22-11-2008, 17:51

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Originally Posted by cashman

what forum was it, seems a reasonable enough question to me, if the man has a point, then back his information up, nowt wrong wi that. but then being the devious git i am, i suspect you n the poster are someway connected.

They're each other's special friends on their profiles.

Bless.

Perhaps they've known each other since special school.

Boeing Guy · 22-11-2008, 18:21

Cashman, the forum in question is PPRuNe Forums - Professional Pilots Rumour Network

Pilots and all airport workers in the UK who have access to restricted areas are amongst the first to be getting the new ID cards, we already have a Restricted Area Card, also known as a Airside Pass, which allows you access to certain areas of the airport, ie a pilot will be allowed to access the Apron (where we park the planes), airside departure and arrival lounge, but not the baggage handling areas (where the mystical baggage handlers live and break your cases), or certain maintenance areas.
All staff who have one of these, as I do, has to undergo various security background checks, much more rigorous and time consuming than the new ID card checks.

The holder of a Airside Pass, still has to undergo Security Screening just as any other passenger and is also subject to the same rules.
BALPA (The British Airline Pilots Association) are against the ID card scheme as are the majority of Pilots and Air Crew.

Now I am off to play with my Crayons and Boeing 737-400, to Paris Orly and back