Are I.D. cards a good thing? - Page 6

garinda · 23-11-2008, 20:22

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

I have gone through all these posts and would like to answer a few comments.

Less says this is Old news, it isn't old this is the future mate and could effect you and your kids life. You could be tracked by an annonymous government agent who has access to your medical files, history, school records everything from birth to death!

Garinda don't you value freedom? What happened to being known in your local shop or post office without needing I.D.? THe I.D. card scheme will be like nothing else as it will all be on a massive data base. So this is nothing like any other form of I.D. that we need at the moment. Even with the N.I. number at the moment they can't track your movements.

Exactly Meccy, once these systems are in place all it takes is one dictator to come in and there will be total control of everyone and everything they do with the massive leaps in power of computers and the nano-technology Micro-computers that can't even be seen with the eye?) that is coming in now. What you have seen in science fiction will eventually be real. THis is why I say no to I.D. cards and Datebases as it's the first rung on the ladder to totalitarian control.

Like what happened in 1930's Germany. Society as we know it could collapse over night.

This country supposedly fought against Nazi Germany to protect our freedom but now the government are planning to take away our freedom on a massive scale - I.D. Cards are just the start!

Yes they had I.D. cards in the second world war but they didn't have a massive computer to keep records and track people to back it up.

I agree with Jay Say that Blair sold us down the river. Blair lied about Weapons of Mass destruction and started a war that has stirred up more hatred and created more terrorism against Britain. Al Queada was originally formed by USA Government C.I.A. to undermine the Soviet war against Afganistan that took place in the 80's. BIn Laden and his people were trained and funded by the C.I.A. Now they say they must take away our freedoms to protect us from Terrorism - it's all a load of hypocrisy!

If you were in Iraq and had done nothing wrong and suddenly your house was bombed by USA or Britain and you came home and your kids were blown to bits how would you feel? What would you do? You'd probably want to get revenge and that would mean becoming a terrorist?

Some one said David Icke can't be trusted, but a lot of what he says about politics is right!

Perhaps your brother, the Tesco blackmailer would have found it more difficult to conceal his identity whilst making bomb threats, and would have been caught and convicted sooner, if we'd have had identity cards?

garinda · 23-11-2008, 20:25

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Benefit fraud (and error) costs us £2.6 billion according to recent statistics. The government figures show 95% of benefit fraud is by fraudulent circumstances, not identity. This means we would make a maximum saving of £130 million. That would cover the £20 billion cost in around 150 years time.

Good.

So it would pay for itself.

I tend to look at the broader picture, and not just what's under my nose today.

andrewb · 23-11-2008, 20:43

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Originally Posted by garinda

Good.

So it would pay for itself.

I tend to look at the broader picture, and not just what's under my nose today.

So you think that something taking 150 years to pay back is a productive use of public money. I'd prefer people with life threatening illnesses are given essential treatment with the money saved.

cashman · 23-11-2008, 20:48

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Originally Posted by andrewb

So you think that something taking 150 years to pay back is a productive use of public money. I'd prefer people with life threatening illnesses are given essential treatment with the money saved.

everyone i think would prefer that, fact is they never ever got that, n never will do, you know that as well as i do.

also a completly differant issue,

garinda · 23-11-2008, 20:48

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Originally Posted by andrewb

So you think that something taking 150 years to pay back is a productive use of public money. I'd prefer people with life threatening illnesses are given essential treatment with the money saved.

As well as looking at the broader picture I also live in the real world, and realise that lots of things should be cut, and go to more worthy causes, but they aren't.

garinda · 23-11-2008, 20:50

For instance we could save billions of pounds by withdrawing from Iraq, the country your beloved Conservatives supported the invasion of.

cashman · 23-11-2008, 20:51

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Originally Posted by garinda

As well as looking at the broader picture I also live in the real world, and realise that lots of things should be cut, and go to more worthy causes, but they aren't.

we posted at the same time.

this is like "Watch With Mother"

garinda · 23-11-2008, 21:04

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Originally Posted by cashman

we posted at the same time.

this is like "Watch With Mother"

That happens with the 'mafia'.

Benipete · 23-11-2008, 22:30

If we've got to have them all well and good,Can't see a problem apart from the cost,but I won't be paying anyway.Tend not to worry about things that are out of my control.

jaysay · 24-11-2008, 10:54

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Originally Posted by Gordie

What river is that ? are you on drugs.

You want to lay of the Guinness pal, will rote what little brain you ever had

jaysay · 24-11-2008, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Benipete

If we've got to have them all well and good,Can't see a problem apart from the cost,but I won't be paying anyway.Tend not to worry about things that are out of my control.

That's always been the trouble Beni, irrespective of the colour of government, they all do things which were never muted in election manifesto's, so we have to grin and bare it

jambutty · 24-11-2008, 17:08

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Benefit fraud (and error) costs us £2.6 billion according to recent statistics. The government figures show 95% of benefit fraud is by fraudulent circumstances, not identity. This means we would make a maximum saving of £130 million. That would cover the £20 billion cost in around 150 years time.

Typical Tory. Lumping statistics together.

If it is costing us £2.6 billion for benefit fraud and benefit error would that be $1 fraud and £2.6 minus £1 for error?

But that is what politicians do when they want to spin a statistic into something different.

Until fraud and error are separated your statistic is meaningless.

Benipete · 24-11-2008, 17:46

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Originally Posted by jaysay

That's always been the trouble Beni, irrespective of the colour of government, they all do things which were never muted in election manifesto's, so we have to grin and bare it

I agree,can't see any difference between the two major political parties,they are both on the same gravy train and we are doing the pushing.