Are we losing the War in Afghanistan? - Page 4

Eric · 22-07-2009, 23:17

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got to say Eric I'm surprised by the fact that so many countries are involed in Afghanistan...I'm not sure that a league table of killed in action is a good marker as to wether the war can be won, the figures may show which countries are more "commited" to this war but then some countries have more to lose than others if the Taliban are to be kept at bay.

I actually thought about this as I was making the post .... I didn't intend to suggest that having a large number of KIA was something that deserved some sort of accolade ... just to show that some countries, three to be precise, are doing much more than their fair share at the sharp end ..... and in the case of my country, whether the Taliban wins or loses means little to us ... I don't know of anyone here who feels threatened by the Afghanis or the Taliban ... I do know that in the area of the country in which Canadian forces are operating more kids, esp. girls, are going to school, more people have access to medical care, clean water etc. than was the case before we arrived. However, even with all the positive things that we have accomplished, there are many thousands of Afghanis who want us out of there. And they are prepared to kill our soldiers in order to accomplish that end. In some sense I understand their point; it's their country and they should be allowed to run it as they wish. It's time to leave them to it.

Eric · 23-07-2009, 19:38

Just heard on the news that Kingston Police have arrested three people for the murder of 4 women who were found dead in a car which ended up by the lock gate at Kingston Mills Locks, the first lock on the Rideau Canal. Found dead were: Zainab Shafia, 19; Sahar Shafia, 17; Geeti Shafia, 13; and Rona Amir Mohammad, 50. Charged with four counts of first degree murder and four of conspiracy to commit murder were the father, mother, and brother of the three young women: Mohammad Shafia, Tooba Yehya Mohammad, and Hamid Mohammad Shafia .... Rona Mohammad may have been the first wife of Mohammad Shafia .... police aren't releasing many details; but they say it may have been an "Honour killing" .... The family were immigrants from, you guessed it, Afghanistan .... so, what chance is there of winning the hearts and minds of Afghanis ... ? The Nixonian doctrine of "if you have them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow" doesn't seem to be working .... it's time to leave.

jaysay · 24-07-2009, 09:25

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Just heard on the news that Kingston Police have arrested three people for the murder of 4 women who were found dead in a car which ended up by the lock gate at Kingston Mills Locks, the first lock on the Rideau Canal. Found dead were: Zainab Shafia, 19; Sahar Shafia, 17; Geeti Shafia, 13; and Rona Amir Mohammad, 50. Charged with four counts of first degree murder and four of conspiracy to commit murder were the father, mother, and brother of the three young women: Mohammad Shafia, Tooba Yehya Mohammad, and Hamid Mohammad Shafia .... Rona Mohammad may have been the first wife of Mohammad Shafia .... police aren't releasing many details; but they say it may have been an "Honour killing" .... The family were immigrants from, you guessed it, Afghanistan .... so, what chance is there of winning the hearts and minds of Afghanis ... ? The Nixon doctrine of "if you have them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow" doesn't seem to be working .... it's time to leave.

It doesn't matter how hard you try your never going to get integration between different cultures, It doesn't work, especially when the culture is so interwoven with religion, There is a case in London where a young man has had acid pored down his throat, because he committed adultery with a married muslim woman, the police have said that the woman isn't safe either, it is said that this was an honor issue under sharia law, and the Muslim fanatic's want this in our country, no thanks

Eric · 24-07-2009, 18:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay

It doesn't matter how hard you try your never going to get integration between different cultures, It doesn't work, especially when the culture is so interwoven with religion, There is a case in London where a young man has had acid pored down his throat, because he committed adultery with a married muslim woman, the police have said that the woman isn't safe either, it is said that this was an honor issue under sharia law, and the Muslim fanatic's want this in our country, no thanks

But there is integration among the cultures over here .... except for one: the "culture" founded on extreme versions of Islam ... They will never fit in. If memory serves me right; there have been several cases of muslime women being murdered by their husbands in the past year. I think that Canada, under our present govt., (Conservatives, Jaysay, you will be glad to hear), are slowly closing the doors to immigrants. And it's stuff like this that is fueling the move. Recently, visitors from the Czech Republic, and from Mexico have been forced to get visas to visit Canada. Seems like to many of them were coming for a visit and then staying to apply for official immigrant status on phoney "refugee" claims. Pity is that incidents like this are turning the general population against ALL Muslims, not just the freaks who conspire to kill their own kids. And a lot of us are looking at Afghanistan and starting to seriously question our commitment of troops and money. On a personal level, I resent very strongly, having some perverted Islamic zealots turn my community into a sharia slaughterhouse. While racism in Canada seems to be on the decline, Islamaphobia is definitely on the increase. And it's not hard to see why.

Mancie · 24-07-2009, 21:42

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While racism in Canada seems to be on the decline, Islamaphobia is definitely on the increase. And it's not hard to see why.

I'd say the same about Britain..racism and prejudice in this country was traditionally against black people with no logical reason other than skin colour, but it has shifted to Islamics (something which the far right have been quick to grasp)..but now there is logic involed because of the extreme muslims.

jaysay · 25-07-2009, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I'd say the same about Britain..racism and prejudice in this country was traditionally against black people with no logical reason other than skin colour, but it has shifted to Islamics (something which the far right have been quick to grasp)..but now there is logic involved because of the extreme muslims.

For once I totally agree Mancie, but its because of the Muslim Extremist that all Muslims are being tared with the same brush, on the whole Muslims are peace loving, but are being portrayed in a bad light by the few