Are we losing the War in Afghanistan?

Mancie · 09-07-2009, 23:20

How do we get out of Afghganistan?... we are losing soldiers every week..is NATO providing enough "firepower"..to take over a nation? if we pull out the Taliban will take over and that means trouble.. but how long will it take to win?

cashman · 09-07-2009, 23:56

should never have gone in IMHO, the ruskis tried fer years n went home wi tails between their legs, afghanistan was never winable in my book n the coalition lads are paying a high price.

Mancie · 10-07-2009, 00:08

in the first place Cashy it was pretty clear that the Taliban had Bin Laden..a self proclaimed mass murderer...something had to be done and in my opinion the attack on Afghanistan was legit..just wondering if we can win this war...but then what happens if we pull out.. lives lost for nothing?

steeljack · 10-07-2009, 01:08

it was a "cool" place in the early 70s (good old days) when the Magic bus used to operate from London via Amsterdam to Katmandu with stopovers in Kabul ,blocks of pure hashish the size of Cadburys Dairy milk bars, (with official Govt. stamp in Gold leaf) .

That being said , don't think any of this Al Queda stuff would have happened if Ronald Reagan had left the Russian occupation alone or even allowed them to move a bit more south thru Baluchistan (Southern Pakistan/Iran) and have a warm water port on the Arabian sea. The idea that Russia would cut off Gulf oil supplies was rubbish , the west had enough oil, most of the cheap Gulf oil was going east to China and Japan ....ergo Ronald Reagan did more to destroy western manufacturing jobs by supplying cheap energy to China than anyone .

Mancie · 10-07-2009, 01:14

yes Steeljack Regean did bluff it with the bollocks about "star wars" stuff.. but to me there is no doubt that the Taliban had a war declared on the USA..and if they had not been removed that war would have gone far worse than 9/11.

steeljack · 10-07-2009, 01:20

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Originally Posted by Mancie

yes Steeljack Regean did bluff it with the bollocks about "star wars" stuff.. but to me there is no doubt that the Taliban had a war declared on the USA..and if they had not been removed that war would have gone far worse than 9/11.

thats the crux of the arguement , would the Taliban or Al Queda have ever existed if Ronald Reagan hadn't supported the Afghani Mujahadin in the first place by supplying them with arms .

jaysay · 10-07-2009, 09:11

I think its a different situaton than when the Ruskies were there, this offencive has the backing of NATO and the UN, plus not to many people living in that corner of the world want to see the Talaban back ruling the roost.

cashman · 10-07-2009, 15:07

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I think its a different situaton than when the Ruskies were there, this offencive has the backing of NATO and the UN, plus not to many people living in that corner of the world want to see the Talaban back ruling the roost.

NATO and the UN along with Communism look great on the theory side of things, when ya dig a bit deeper and look at the reality of these bodys there as much use as "Tits on a Fella"

jaysay · 10-07-2009, 16:01

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Originally Posted by cashman

NATO and the UN along with Communism look great on the theory side of things, when ya dig a bit deeper and look at the reality of these bodys there as much use as "Tits on a Fella"

Its different cashy the local people are against the Talaban, they supported the Mugaradin against the Ruskies

Eric · 10-07-2009, 18:31

Let's do something sane for once in these costly encounters: get the troops out ... now; leave the Afghan people alone to handle their mess. 123 Canadians dead so far, four in the last couple of weeks .... over $20 billion spent .... Afghanistan the largest recipient of Canadian foreign aid, money that could be better spent elsewhere .... And has anyone else noticed that of the NATO contingents there, only three are doing any actual fighting .... guess who?

MargaretR · 10-07-2009, 18:46

Nobody wins any war - one side just loses less than the other.
If you have to look for 'a winner', it will be the munitions company who got the best contract for supplies.

cashman · 10-07-2009, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Eric

Let's do something sane for once in these costly encounters: get the troops out ... now; leave the Afghan people alone to handle their mess. 123 Canadians dead so far, four in the last couple of weeks .... over $20 billion spent .... Afghanistan the largest recipient of Canadian foreign aid, money that could be better spent elsewhere .... And has anyone else noticed that of the NATO contingents there, only three are doing any actual fighting .... guess who?

exactly my point about NATO being useless, pity jaysay cant see it.

wadey · 10-07-2009, 19:24

The politicians are now saying it's NOT a war but a peace keeping excercise while they have elections! The history of the area does not bode well for the current mission I think we should cut our losses and bring the boys and girls home

Royboy39 · 10-07-2009, 22:17

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Originally Posted by wadey

The politicians are now saying it's NOT a war but a peace keeping excercise while they have elections! The history of the area does not bode well for the current mission I think we should cut our losses and bring the boys and girls home

Sorry, dont agree.......Bring the likes of John Simpson home and the rest of the so called war correspondents home and we may have a result.
A protected journalist is a burden to front line forces, and I say this from experience.....they are a pain in the arse. Their life is more important that the front line troops that are reporting upon.
Lets get real. our lads and lasses are dying out there.

cashman · 10-07-2009, 22:29

dont dispute the value of simpson n company roy, but cannot forsee a result if they bring journalists home, how do ya get a result against a foe who sees dying as n honour, is also au-fait with the terrain they are brought up in, i fear the brave forces are on a hiding to nowt oer yon.