Are you sick to the E.U.?

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Neil

Is it dedication gone out the window?

As that doctors shift finished was another one not starting who could take over?

How long should a doctor work before being forced to leave so they don't become to tired to work?

I think that you are right here Neil -I know that on very long serious operations the sugeons do work in "shifts" and of course they all have different specialisations so at certain points in an operation different doctors come in and take over. This in operations like transplants and open heart and lung surgery...I imagine that it is both physically and mentally very demanding stressful work to do for longer than a certain period of time. For other more routine operations I think it is normal for them to finish off themselves. Usually in these cases they have several operations scheduled per day before their other work in the follow up care of patients on the wards and their other work as consultant specialists.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Neil

Is it dedication gone out the window?

As that doctors shift finished was another one not starting who could take over?

How long should a doctor work before being forced to leave so they don't become to tired to work?

If the doctor in question was working in a theatre setting then they usually finish the operation they have started...unless of course it is very close to the end.......I have seen consultants leave their registrar to close up the wound....but most of the team stay until the operation is finished.

In respect of a general shift....yes there is usually someone to take over.

My understanding of the situation(it could be wrong for a variety of reasons - this may not have been a true incident, but one made up to prove a point) is that a junior doctor was offered an opportunity to be involved in an operation which would provide a good learning experience........it seems that she turned this down so that her husband could go on a 'boys night out'.(a bit implausible?)

If this is true, it would not have endeared her to the team, the consultant would have been'miffed' and she probably would have got a bad report on her progress...which might affect her next allocation...and ultimately her employability at the end of her training...though she will probably go on to be a GP...far more lucrative financially.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Is it dedication gone out the window?

As that doctors shift finished was another one not starting who could take over?

How long should a doctor work before being forced to leave so they don't become to tired to work?

In my opinion yes it is dedication out the window, This was a trainee that sodded off.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Neil

Is it dedication gone out the window?

As that doctors shift finished was another one not starting who could take over?

How long should a doctor work before being forced to leave so they don't become to tired to work?

Sometimes in 'real life', there isn't someone to take over, I am 'just an engineer', I've stayed on the job for what I hoped would be an extra few minutes that have worked out to be several hours.

My patient was an inanimate object, I could walk away any time I wanted, I remained to see the job through, I had been taught dedication.

A Doctor? with a job to do? surely dedication is the first thing they should be taught? O.K. their shift has finished, but what is in front of them is different to a slab of meat, it is a living, breathing, human being, worthy of a little more thought than, time to clock off, sod this for a game of marbles?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Less

Sometimes in 'real life', there isn't someone to take over, I am 'just an engineer', I've stayed on the job for what I hoped would be an extra few minutes that have worked out to be several hours.

My patient was an inanimate object, I could walk away any time I wanted, I remained to see the job through, I had been taught dedication.

A Doctor? with a job to do? surely dedication is the first thing they should be taught? O.K. their shift has finished, but what is in front of them is different to a slab of meat, it is a living, breathing, human being, worthy of a little more thought than, time to clock off, sod this for a game of marbles?

And believe it or not some doctors do have comapssion for their patients and see them as people rather than just a condition to treat.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And believe it or not some doctors do have comapssion for their patients and see them as people rather than just a condition to treat.

Of course... and yet the recent insane NHS reforms may force GP's to see patients and have one eye on how much of their budget it may cost to give the best treatment.
95% of the medical profession told the government this so called NHS reform will lead to disaster...as for me choosing to attack the tories yes it's true.. I believe this government is causing infinitely more damage to this country than the EU could ever do.

[Margaret Pilkington]

You should get a guide dog and a stick.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You should get a guide dog and a stick.

Whose budget will that come out of ?

[Margaret Pilkington]

I'm hoping the Labour party might chip in He supports them so blindly I think it is their duty to look after one of their own.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I'm hoping the Labour party might chip in He supports them so blindly I think it is their duty to look after one of their own.

Here we go again...anyone that dares to criticise this destuctive tory lead government must be a lefty or support labour.. I don't support any party blindly.. but I do support almost any opposition to the tories.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Whose budget will that come out of ?

I've already got a stick..just need one of you tory lot to be the dog.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Mancie

I've already got a stick.

Typo - I already get stick. There, now doesn't that seem better ?

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Typo - I already get stick. There, now doesn't that seem better ?

Yep I already get stick from the dog..but as I'm a gentleman can't mention any names..

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Here we go again...anyone that dares to criticise this destuctive tory lead government must be a lefty or support labour.. I don't support any party blindly.. but I do support almost any opposition to the tories.

Well, had you criticised the last incumbents with such determined ardour, I might have believed you...but from what you have posted in the past, you believe they did no wrong(or if they did you were quite happy to keep schtum about it)...any dissenters were labelled tory supporters.....so now you know how it feels.
Welcome to the club Mancie.

[Chris SUI JURIS]

Who the one that voted no....come on own up