Are you sick to the E.U.?

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have my suspicions.....it is someone who is always in step...with himself.......NO, not you Chris.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS

Who the one that voted no....come on own up

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I have my suspicions.....it is someone who is always in step...with himself.......NO, not you Chris.

I also have me suspicions n it sure aint our relatively new member.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy, I think we are of one mind on this.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy, I think we are of one mind on this.

Probably, They say every circus needs a clown.?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes....we have one, and a spare!

[accyman]

it wont be G.J he has a strong view that we should get a vote on the EU and im sure if asked to vote on wether we get a referendum on the EU he will remian true to his word

what theres been a vote?

how did it go ?

did he keep to his word or did he do what many MPs do and lie through his teeth to us and stab us in the back?

yes yes i know its same old same old but the guy has proven himself to be a liar and untrustworthy by his own actions and his actions alone.Time for a new labour representitive this ones duff ( not to be confused with duff beer)

[Less]

Originally Posted by accyman

Time for a new labour representitive this ones duff

Do you mean time for a new, new labour representative?

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Less

Do you mean time for a new, new labour representative?

somat loike that yus

[Eric]

I was reading in the "G#$%$ian" ... I know some of you think this is a dirty word ... that in the latest polls in GB the UKIP is ahead of the Lib-Dems. Ok, so help me out. Is there any significance to this? What does it say about British voter attitudes to the EU? Is it more than a temporary process, or is it a trend in British politics that can be analyzed in terms of domestic as well as in foreign policy? Does it reflect a growing right-wing extremism, or a new populism with a "Britain First" attitude? Is the UKIP anything like the Parti Quebecois, the Saskatchewan Party, and the Wild Rose Party in Alberta?

[Margaret Pilkington]

I can't say.......but personally, I think that people have got just a bit fed up of the way the EU tells us we must tighten our belts, but spends stupid amounts of money.
The money they take from us is given to people who do not seem to have tightened their belts........in Greece it is/was possible to retire at 55(not sure if the recent events have changed this)...while some Lord or other is telling pensioners over here that they should work(in a voluntary capacity) in their own communities to earn their pension!

Pardom me for being so thick........I thought I contibuted throughout my working life to ensure I got the paltry pension that I draw.......our workers here are having their retirement date shifted on a regular basis......it maybe that some of them never live to draw their pension.

It is the insidious creeping rules and edicts that are issued from Brussels that make some of us feel like we didn't actually win the last war.......or might well not have bothered fighting it.
It is the fact that we follow the rules slavishly whilst other EU members seem to pick and choose which they will and won't follow....and no punishments are meted out to them.
It maybe the fact that we have been promised a say in our future in the EU and it has never materialised.
It could be any number of other facets of this undemocratic shambles that is causing these figures to be mooted......it may also be that people have told those who are canvassing for opinion, what they want them to know.
I just wish we had a leader with enough backbone and a pair of cojones to stand up to the mandarins in the EU and stick two fingers up to them.

Well Eric....you DID ask.

[Margaret Pilkington]

It could be worse Eric...it could have said that the BNP were ahead of the Lib Dems......that would have been a worry.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It could be worse Eric...it could have said that the BNP were ahead of the Lib Dems......that would have been a worry.

I know I aksed ... it's difficult to understand from over here ... all Federal parties in Canada are strongly "Canada First". NAFTA is just official recognition that Canada is America's largest trade partner. (A lot has to do with oil of course. The US would rather buy oil from a country which doesn't get peed off when someone farts within 10km of the koran.) Whatever, it still seems a little strange to me ... you know, having to have a separate UK-first party, one that wants trade relations, but without compromising national interests. I know that a lot of tory back benchers over there are "eurosceptic" ... but am I right in thinking that these are the same folks who want to bring back the feudal system and the death penalty for poaching?

[Wynonie Harris]

Much of the swing to UKIP can be attributed to the protest vote factor. A large proportion of the population are sick and tired of the EU and the way that the three major parties cravenly acquiesce to this organisation, whilst blatantly disregarding our national interests. Most people don't worry too much about UKIP's other policies.

The other factor is that many people's views don't fall neatly into conventional party lines and may include opinions that are actually contradictory in a party political sense. You can see many examples of this on Accyweb from those who claim they are traditional Labour/socialist types, but who espouse right wing Tory views on immigration, law and order and more.

[Margaret Pilkington]

It is difficult to understand probably because you have federal parties which put Canada first...while over here it seems that we have parties who put everyone else first, and poor old Uk citizens last, and then they wonder why we are sick of just getting the crumbs.

We have been giving India( a burgeoning economy ) £280 million in aid...there is no rider that the aid is spent on Uk products and services( which would help sections of the economy to grow) Anyway, it has been announced that this aid is going to be drastically cut......but the money will still go overseas...probably to some Rwandan despot to spend on his private fleet of jets.

The money could be better used to provide better staffing levels in hospitals(removing people form the unemployment register) improving local economies by giving people a wage...money to spend......these people would also be off benefits and paying taxes.......something that HMRC should be encouraging the multi national conglomerates to do...but no.....the money goes overseas with no directives on how it could be spent.
So we are properly peed off about a lot of things...but the EU comes at the top of my list.
I WILL vote for ANY party that gives us a vote on our membership...not just promises a vote, we have followed that carrot before..it led nowhere.
Now my blood pressure is up......I'm off to find some calm...do we still have a calm room here?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

A large proportion of the population are sick and tired of the EU and the way that the three major parties cravenly acquiesce to this organisation,

I usually find your posts to be most accurate and would never consider correcting you, however the above, no, no, no. Has your maths failed you? I count 2 major parties and one minor party that would sell their souls for just a smattering of power, (to either party).

Please don't put me through this ever again.

Your loyal fan, Less