Area Management Calendars 2010

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by blazey

OK...

It's always handy to have contact details of Councillors to hand and it makes sense that these are provided to you at the beginning of the year in a form that you can make use of even if you don't intend on making use of the contact details, so that it isn't a waste as such. You never know when you might need to contact one of these people, because you never know 100% what you are going to have to deal with in the future.

But blazey the calendar is only valid for the first 4 months of the year ... dont forget elections are held the first thursday in May ... and what happens if a councillor is named on the calendar either decides not to stand or is not re-elected ... then its out of date ....

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Have said over and over that it is a total waste of money. Am criticising both sides

So you agree that the calendars are a total waste of council tax payer's money per se?

Yet you are also criticising those councillors who opposed and didn't appear on the calendars?

So are you saying that if the calendars had the details of all the relevant councillors on them, they would be worth the cost to the tax payers who've funded them?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by blazey

Labour could have taken the opportunity to provide the details on this calender. Instead, they waste money on christmas cards with details and calenders on them that will be mostly thrown away come new year because they are only fitting for the christmas period.

As Cashy said, they can do what the hell they like with their own money, as unlike the calendars they weren't funded from the public purse...a purse which is filled by the hard working people of this borough.

As for the calendars being kept, and the cards being thrown away after Christmas, I presume you haven't actually seen the calendars.

The biggest load of unaesthetic, ugly, unproofed, piece of crap design, produced since the logo for London 2012 was unveiled.

Only a sick masochist would enjoy the pain of seeing that staring at them throughout the year.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Why did the labour councillors request their details to be removed?Would it be too much work for them to have people know who they are so that people can contact them?Just curious.

Er...because they thought it was a waste of tax payers money, especially when not everyone in the borough has been sent a calendar, and the details of how to contact your councillors are already easily and readily available...for free.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by garinda

The biggest load of unaesthetic, ugly, unproofed, piece of crap design, produced since the logo for London 2012 was unveiled.

Yep, that just about sums it up!

[shillelagh]

Wouldnt it be better all in all if they didnt send the calendars out till halfway through may ... with details of how to contact the local councillors, the details on who to contact when you've complaints about the bins, roads, parks etc at the town hall, details of county councillors on, details of bin collections, recycle collections etc, events in the parks like the mela ... and the calendar run from 1st june - 31st may .. that way then the calendar wouldnt be out of date.

just an idea ...

[garinda]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

Wouldnt it be better all in all if they didnt send the calendars out till halfway through may ... with details of how to contact the local councillors, the details on who to contact when you've complaints about the bins, roads, parks etc at the town hall, details of county councillors on, details of bin collections, recycle collections etc, events in the parks like the mela ... and the calendar run from 1st june - 31st may .. that way then the calendar wouldnt be out of date.

just an idea ...

They could have freely advised residents of who their councillors are, via the community website, which was set up with a grant of £591,000.00 from the government.

It was all a bit too much trouble for our council though, and was so out of date, they were sadly listing councillors who'd died five months previously.

Still it was only £591,000.00 which they wasted.....YES! OF OUR MONEY!!!!

Row flares over £591,000 spent on outdated website - News - Accrington Observer

Costly website a ‘desperate failure’ - News - Accrington Observer

[cashman]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Why did the labour councillors request their details to be removed?Would it be too much work for them to have people know who they are so that people can contact them?Just curious.

oh my god, i can see where andrew gets it from, its in the genes.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

So you agree that the calendars are a total waste of council tax payer's money per se?

Yet you are also criticising those councillors who opposed and didn't appear on the calendars?

So are you saying that if the calendars had the details of all the relevant councillors on them, they would be worth the cost to the tax payers who've funded them?

No Gary. Not at all. I must not be being very clear.

I am not for a second saying that if all councillors had been involved it would have been a good use of money. You already know this, I've spoken of it several times in this thread alone.

It's a total waste to produce. I'm criticising both sides though, the tories who produced it and labour who made it less valuable to residents and therefore more of a waste.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

No Gary. Not at all. I must not be being very clear.

I am not for a second saying that if all councillors had been involved it would have been a good use of money. You already know this, I've spoken of it several times in this thread alone.

It's a total waste to produce. I'm criticising both sides though, the tories who produced it and labour who made it less valuable to residents and therefore more of a waste.

You're right, you're not very clear.

If it's a total waste of money per se, it doesn't become less of a waste just because it doesn't contain all the councillor's details.

If it's a waste of money you should be applauding those councillors who thought so too, and opposed them.

If it was party political, and not funded by the residents of the borough, I wouldn't give two figs. Their money, therefore they can do what the hell they like.

Though this badly designed trash would still go straight into the recycling sack, it wouldn't matter at all to me, because we hadn't paid for it!

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

You're right, you're not very clear.

If it's a total waste of money per se, it doesn't become less of a waste just because it doesn't contain all the councillor's details.

If it's a waste of money you should be applauding those councillors who thought so too, and opposed them.

If it was party political, and not funded by the residents of the borough, I wouldn't give two figs. Their money, therefore they can do what the hell they like.

Though this badly designed trash would still go straight into the recycling sack, it wouldn't matter at all to me, because we hadn't paid for it!

I believe the calendars should never have been produced at taxpayers expense. I applaud Labour, or anybody, for suggesting this. It does not become less of a waste because it lacks councillors details, you're right.

I do believe it becomes more of a waste because of the lack of councillors details. No it doesn't become more of a monetary waste, it's the same £500 whether it has numbers of all or some of our councillors, but the value to the resident is surely more if all councillors are included.

If you don't feel that the value of anything exists beyond the cost, that's fine. To me if I flushed £5 down the drain, it would be more of a waste than buying a couple of pints, even if I didn't originally want a drink. I might not have originally wanted the drinks, but I'd damn well rather have the drink than it be flushed down - which is where the criticism of both parties comes in.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

They should be supporting things which promote the borough nationwide (which Stanley does more than anything else) and, as they're football fans in the first place, it would hardly be an ordeal for them...and the same goes for Clare Pritchard, too.

I seem to remember PB spouting about how people should support their local football club and how important it is to the borough. Do as I say, not as I do?

Wyn your a grand bloke and I like you but your way of mark on this one, as I've said many times on here for a lot of the time there was no Stanley, back in the early days I used to watch both Stanley and Rovers, then there was no Stanley, but I am now a dyed in the Wool Rover as is PB can't speak for Graham, so you can hardly expect us to drop the Rovers like a stone because of Stanley's resurgence. Mind you that is not to say that like myself I know PB and I'm sure Graham want Stanley to do well, nobody supported the Save Our Stanley more than me and I'm not a fan, but I still love it when they are doing well like at present. Could I as where you actually live and shouldn't you be supporting your nearest football team, well you should be by your yardstick

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Wyn your a grand bloke and I like you but your way of mark on this one, as I've said many times on here for a lot of the time there was no Stanley, back in the early days I used to watch both Stanley and Rovers, then there was no Stanley, but I am now a dyed in the Wool Rover as is PB can't speak for Graham, so you can hardly expect us to drop the Rovers like a stone because of Stanley's resurgence. Mind you that is not to say that like myself I know PB and I'm sure Graham want Stanley to do well, nobody supported the Save Our Stanley more than me and I'm not a fan, but I still love it when they are doing well like at present. Could I as where you actually live and shouldn't you be supporting your nearest football team, well you should be by your yardstick

Not expecting anybody to drop the Rovers like a stone, Jaysay. Cashy's a Rovers fan and he manages to turn up at Stanley on a very regular basis. Councillor Britcliffe, as a born-and-bred Accy lad and the major representative of the borough should do the same by adopting Stanley as his second club. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that he doesn't get to all of Rovers away matches so he could quite easily do so. The fact that he doesn't makes all his pronouncements about the people of the borough getting behind Stanley just so much hypocritical cant. Graham's got a bit more of an excuse as he's a Mill Hill lad, but, as the leader of the opposition, he also should be turning up to the Crown Ground more often. They ought to take their lead from Bernard Dawson - a shining example of a local councillor supporting his local club!

As for me, I support Stanley because I'm an Accy lad, wherever I may roam, but that's of no consequence, as I'm just an ordinary Joe. What I'm saying is that Messrs Britcliffe, Jones and others should be supporting Stanley more publicly by pitching up on a regular basis as representatives of the borough.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Not expecting anybody to drop the Rovers like a stone, Jaysay. Cashy's a Rovers fan and he manages to turn up at Stanley on a very regular basis. Councillor Britcliffe, as a born-and-bred Accy lad and the major representative of the borough should do the same by adopting Stanley as his second club. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that he doesn't get to all of Rovers away matches so he could quite easily do so. The fact that he doesn't makes all his pronouncements about the people of the borough getting behind Stanley just so much hypocritical cant. Graham's got a bit more of an excuse as he's a Mill Hill lad, but, as the leader of the opposition, he also should be turning up to the Crown Ground more often. They ought to take their lead from Bernard Dawson - a shining example of a local councillor supporting his local club!

As for me, I support Stanley because I'm an Accy lad, wherever I may roam, but that's of no consequence, as I'm just an ordinary Joe. What I'm saying is that Messrs Britcliffe, Jones and others should be supporting Stanley more publicly by pitching up on a regular basis as representatives of the borough.

They'll be there when Stanley go to Wembley in May and win promotion through the play off's Wynonie and no doubt that 1500 regulars at the FES will grow to 25.000 on that day too

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by jaysay

They'll be there when Stanley go to Wembley in May and win promotion through the play off's Wynonie and no doubt that 1500 regulars at the FES will grow to 25.000 on that day too

Oh, yes, they'll be there when there's a photo opportunity and it's to be hoped that it's a better photo than the one on that wretched calendar!