Argies upto no good again !!! - Page 2

Tealeaf · 18-02-2010, 17:00

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Don't forget the EU has extended its tentacles of power considerably since the Falklands war. It even has its own foreign minister now. What's the betting they'll get involved?

Aye, they'll stick their nose in. Don't forget, last time the Belgian government refused us access to NATO ammunition held on Belgian soil and as for the frogs - despite assurances to the contrary - they had personnel down there fitting those missiles on the Super Etandards.

I guess this time the EU will demand a heavy price, even though that EU foreign minister is supposed to be British. it will probably be we shall have to bail out the Greek economy, or something similar, in order to get "EU" support at the UN.

accyman · 18-02-2010, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Don't forget the EU has extended its tentacles of power considerably since the Falklands war. It even has its own foreign minister now. What's the betting they'll get involved?

the two finger salute is universal they shouldnt have any problems getting the message

only draw back to any major operation is troops

we dont have any spare they are busy sorting everyone elses problems out

MargaretR · 18-02-2010, 17:12

Lets get realistic about this diplomatic dilemma.
The days of a british empire are long over.

If the Argies had colonised an uninhabited Isle of Man two centuries ago and now decided to milk the oil field in the Irish Sea, I imagine we would be a bit miffed too.

The last time this problem flared up, the Argies had invaded, and that is 'against the rules' of fair play. This time they are restricting shipping.

The Faulklanders will need to decide whether they can survive on mutton and cabbages.

Tealeaf · 18-02-2010, 17:13

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Originally Posted by accyman

only draw back to any major operation is troops

we dont have any spare they are busy sorting everyone elses problems out

It's not only troops, it's ships. Back in '82 we had 48 destroyers/frigates...we've less than half of that now. Only one carrier is fully operational and we've half the subs we did have. In fact, things are so bad that for the first time since the seventeen century we have not had a ship on the West Indies station (HMS Iron Duke was withdrawn before Christmas; that is why you did not see any RN presence following the Haitian earthquake)

Basically, we're buggared if the Argies go in. The best we can hope for is to get a few squadrons of typoons down there and take air control - but we have to do that PDQ.

Tealeaf · 18-02-2010, 17:18

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

If the Argies had colonised an uninhabited Isle of Man two centuries ago and now decided to milk the oil field in the Irish Sea, I imagine we would be a bit miffed too.

Unfortunatly, the Argies did not exist two centuries ago; neither did they exist when we first discovered, named, mapped, set foot and then put people on the Falklands.

MargaretR · 18-02-2010, 17:25

I beg to differ
Argentina: History, Geography, Government, and Culture — Infoplease.com
First explored in 1516 by Juan Diaz de Solis, Argentina developed slowly under Spanish colonial rule. Buenos Aires was settled in 1580; the cattle industry was thriving as early as 1600. Invading British forces were expelled in 1806—1807, and after Napoleon conquered Spain (1808), the Argentinians set up their own government in 1810. On July 9, 1816, independence was formally declared.

It is also incorrect to assume that before any colonisation took place, it was uninhabited wilderness.
Some south american civilisations predate our own.

AngleIron · 18-02-2010, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Basically, we're buggared if the Argies go in. The best we can hope for is to get a few squadrons of typoons down there and take air control - but we have to do that PDQ.

already there Tealeaf, been there quite a while . ....... my son's back out there for four months later this year.

Nickelson · 18-02-2010, 17:51

Yeah, I worked on a couple of typhoons @ BAE Systems back in July that were Falklands bound.

Eric · 18-02-2010, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Don't forget the EU has extended its tentacles of power considerably since the Falklands war. It even has its own foreign minister now. What's the betting they'll get involved?

Really

You mean that there is an outside agency (ie. non-UK) that can exert influence over your foreign policy

But if they try to interfere, you can tell them to go take a hike, right.

DaveinGermany · 18-02-2010, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Eric

Really

You mean that there is an outside agency (ie. non-UK) that can exert influence over your foreign policy

But if they try to interfere, you can tell them to go take a hike, right.

You would like to think so wouldn't you

But somehow I think that may be a "NON Monsewer" why ever could that be I wonder ???

Wynonie Harris · 18-02-2010, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Eric

Really

You mean that there is an outside agency (ie. non-UK) that can exert influence over your foreign policy

But if they try to interfere, you can tell them to go take a hike, right.

You don't know the half of it, Eric. They even tell us how much fish we can catch in our own territorial waters. As for telling them to "go take a hike", nice thought, but this spineless lot wouldn't have the guts.

steeljack · 20-02-2010, 08:15

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Has to be Bennie - Falkland Islanders, after the war, were referred to as Bennies by all the troops. When they realised the significance and complained, orders were issued - No more Bennies, so they bacame known as Stills (Still Bennies)

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Also "Andies" as in andies still a Benny

considering the attached links I'm wondering if the Falkland Island Legislative feel this is the offical British view of the Islanders , that they are a bunch of clowns ripe and ready to be exploited by a consortium of international oil companies who have been granted drilling rights by the British Govt. My thinking is that the Falklander/Malvinas islanders should appeal to Washington DC and ask for the US Govt. to intervene for aid/help under the terms of the Monroe Doctrine , my thinking is that the Falkland islanders should declare independance from the UK and place themselves under the protection of the USA .

DaveinGermany · 20-02-2010, 11:37

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Originally Posted by steeljack

considering the attached links I'm wondering if the Falkland Island Legislative feel this is the offical British view of the Islanders , that they are a bunch of clowns ripe and ready to be exploited by a consortium of international oil companies who have been granted drilling rights by the British Govt. My thinking is that the Falklander/Malvinas islanders should appeal to Washington DC and ask for the US Govt. to intervene for aid/help under the terms of the Monroe Doctrine , my thinking is that the Falkland islanders should declare independance from the UK and place themselves under the protection of the USA .

Don't even go there SJ, Falkland Islanders (That's Falkland Islands because they're British) are well aware of what the British Military call them & can live with it as the alternatives are not in the slightest appealing, they understand the humour behind it & the sacrifices made so that British humour would remain a part of Island life.

Unlike other Countries who wish to Invade/control & dominate in these modern times, the British presence was requested & has been asked to remain, that is why we have the "FDF" (Falklands Defence Force) stationed on the Islands, who not only help secure the Island but also do good works for & within the Community.

If as you suggest they feel slighted, why then are we still there ? why do they remain loyal to the British Crown ? & all this after 28 years since the Invasion & Occupation by Argentina. I suggest a quick look here may help alleviate some of your American curiosity, specifically the part about Government.

Falkland Islands Government - | Falkland Islands Government - Home

This Monroe Doctrine you mention in your statement I assume refers to the Treatise from Dec 1823, about European interference in The Americas, I believe your then Government applied this ruling with alternatives in mind, such as why let the Europeans get to it when we could probaly get in there ourselves under the auspices of "Protecting the weak". Somewhat Cynical you may say ! Yes I am

How many times has America invoked this clause over the past 188 years ? under what circumstances & what has been the result ? As I said at the start the Falkland Islands are British & wish to remain British, as to not going there I take that back, pay it a visit & speak to the locals & they'll tell you they're Falklanders & their Sovereign is Her Majesty the Queen , not some President !