Argies upto no good again !!! - Page 3

Eric · 20-02-2010, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

It's not only troops, it's ships. Back in '82 we had 48 destroyers/frigates...we've less than half of that now. Only one carrier is fully operational and we've half the subs we did have. In fact, things are so bad that for the first time since the seventeen century we have not had a ship on the West Indies station (HMS Iron Duke was withdrawn before Christmas; that is why you did not see any RN presence following the Haitian earthquake)

Basically, we're buggared if the Argies go in. The best we can hope for is to get a few squadrons of typoons down there and take air control - but we have to do that PDQ.

S'ok .... there are still three of Her Majesty's ships in the area: HMCS Athabaskan, HMCS Ville de Quebec, and HMCS Halifax.

Neil · 20-02-2010, 22:58

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Originally Posted by Eric

S'ok .... there are still three of Her Majesty's ships in the area: HMCS Athabaskan, HMCS Ville de Quebec, and HMCS Halifax.

But will they do what Her Majesty asks them to do?

Eric · 21-02-2010, 02:08

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Originally Posted by Neil

But will they do what Her Majesty asks them to do?

Of course they will .... in the same way the Royal Navy obeys her commands .... the Royal Navy does what Her Majesty's Government tells it to do .... Same in Canada: The Royal Canadian Navy does what Her Majesty's Government tells it to do

Neil · 21-02-2010, 02:50

So will they help us out if needed?

Or should we start cutting down the oak trees to build some more ships?

Eric · 21-02-2010, 03:10

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Originally Posted by Neil

So will they help us out if needed?

Or should we start cutting down the oak trees to build some more ships?

Interesting question .... historically, Canada has always stood by the UK ... Boer War, WWl, WWll (may I mention Dieppe), Korea ... I don't think Iraq counts, that was USBS ... so, if push ever does come to shove, the answer is: I really don't know.

Neil · 21-02-2010, 03:21

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Originally Posted by Eric

... so, if push ever does come to shove, the answer is: I really don't know.

You should be a politician

Eric · 21-02-2010, 04:23

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Originally Posted by Neil

You should be a politician

Nah, I'm being honest ... a quality most politicians don't have ... and Canadian politicians, unless being questioned by the Auditor General or the RCMP, will never admit to not knowing

Acrylic-bob · 21-02-2010, 09:44

Talk of war is, I am afraid, pointless speculation. After the Falklands Conflict, the people of Argentina, as opposed to their government, have no stomach for another run in with the UK. This current flap is more about the failing Argentine government trying to divert attention away from it's current difficulties. A storm in a tea-cup!

However, as has already been observed, I have no doubt that were the worst come to pass, the level of support offered to us by our European partners would amount to, precisely, zero, null, nowt!

Hiddlebit · 21-02-2010, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

. This current flap is more about the failing Argentine government trying to divert attention away from it's current difficulties. A storm in a tea-cup!

That's how the last one started, isn't it? And our government had similar difficulties.

Strikingly similar isn't it? Only now we might just have the naval might to invade a bath.

Sorry I haven't introduced myself - I'm new to the forum and still getting the hang of things

Acrylic-bob · 21-02-2010, 10:41

True, but then they had their people with them, and they had not yet been forced into a humiliating defeat, now they don't have the luxury of public support. That's the difference.

jaysay · 21-02-2010, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Talk of war is, I am afraid, pointless speculation. After the Falklands Conflict, the people of Argentina, as opposed to their government, have no stomach for another run in with the UK. This current flap is more about the failing Argentine government trying to divert attention away from it's current difficulties. A storm in a tea-cup!

However, as has already been observed, I have no doubt that were the worst come to pass, the level of support offered to us by our European partners would amount to, precisely, zero, null, nowt!

Spot on Bob, was exactly the same in the early eighties and the failing military government

Tealeaf · 21-02-2010, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Talk of war is, I am afraid, pointless speculation. After the Falklands Conflict, the people of Argentina, as opposed to their government, have no stomach for another run in with the UK. This current flap is more about the failing Argentine government trying to divert attention away from it's current difficulties. A storm in a tea-cup!

However, as has already been observed, I have no doubt that were the worst come to pass, the level of support offered to us by our European partners would amount to, precisely, zero, null, nowt!

While I think we can certainly rule out the Argies attempting a full blown invaision of the islands, we may well see attempts on their part to interfere in the free movement of shipping - especially that relating to oil drilling - within Falklands waters and as such there is a possibility of escalation from thereon. Deterrence, as usual, is the best defence.

DaveinGermany · 21-02-2010, 12:47

I don't believe a full scale Military offensive is likely or feasible, the Argentine Politicians much like our own are full of "Wee & Wind" & while they might make the appropriate noises they haven't got the bottle or backing to take another humiliating arse kicking, it may be twenty odd years ago since the last effort, but it has been a thorn in the side of the Politicians & some of their more Nationalistic citizens ever since & will continue to be.

Should they be stupid enough to even attempt something they won't find an undefended & unprepared populace as it was back in 82, as the FIDF, is in place & ready to face off against anyone foolish enough to attempt anything. While not large in numbers about 1,500 are present & their purpose is to hold & defend (Bridgehead) until a fighting force can be transported & brought into position to defend & repel.

Much as Tealeaf stated the only real thing the Argies will do to cause problems & interference will be to apply sanctions although this won't really have an effect on the Islands, & cause all kinds of economic hurdles for shipping in the area, like a bully who knows he can't win they'll resolve to niggling & petty troublemaking causing quite some irritation, but nothing substantive.

Acrylic-bob · 21-02-2010, 12:48

Perhaps I am getting a bit too long in the tooth to put up with the usual diplomatic two-step around a problem, I think we should get our retaliation in first and demonstrate in no uncertain terms that what is ours is ours and let the UN and our European quisling partners wet themselves into insensibility over the fallout.

MargaretR · 21-02-2010, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Perhaps I am getting a bit too long in the tooth to put up with the usual diplomatic two-step around a problem, I think we should get our retaliation in first and demonstrate in no uncertain terms that what is ours is ours and let the UN and our European quisling partners wet themselves into insensibility over the fallout.

Are you gonna be first in line at the army recruitment office then?