Arrested before comiting a crime (Pre Crime) - Page 3

walkinman221 · 05-05-2011, 21:16

There were many groups and individuals who wanted to protest on the day of the wedding, but the police said weeks before, no permission would be granted for any demonstrations by anybody, and as dig says if the groups or individuals had previous form they would have their collars felt so to speak.Just imagine the logistics of not only policing effectively the royal wedding but also letting every drum banging leftie, right wing, republican, islamic, christian,nutter have their own little shindig as well. It was never going to happen was it come on get a grip..

***Mr D*** · 06-05-2011, 00:35

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Because your hero has got previous (listen in real carefully from about the 36 second point in the 1st clip you put up) he's been charged for a previous offence & as such is deemed likely to "re-offend" & that is the reason he's being pulled in.

Police powers

Points 3 & 10 should answer your question. So if something happened to you & yours or your property you'd be okay with it would you ? Especially if the scrote had form & was known to the Police, you'd not want him lifted ? I certainly wouldn't want to live in your world mate.

Hero not at all, OK, I listened in real carefully, and hear the term suspicion, he wasnt charged for previous.

Cant you see really why he was pulled in.

As for the police powers link (Why should I believe that

) I know enough about my rights to see me good.

As for something happening to me, ect thats a lot different nothing like what the video's are about. No one was getting hurt, no property was getting damaged and no one was being defrauded.

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

There were many groups and individuals who wanted to protest on the day of the wedding, but the police said weeks before, no permission would be granted for any demonstrations by anybody, and as dig says if the groups or individuals had previous form they would have their collars felt so to speak.Just imagine the logistics of not only policing effectively the royal wedding but also letting every drum banging leftie, right wing, republican, islamic, christian,nutter have their own little shindig as well. It was never going to happen was it come on get a grip..

They wasnt going to Protest or have a demonstration, maybe a little humour.

No Permission.

DaveinGermany · 06-05-2011, 09:14

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

OK, I listened in real carefully, and hear the term suspicion, he wasnt charged for previous.

Suggest you listen again "D" using both ears & you'll hear these rather quaint expressions such as "Reasonable grounds" "Conspired with others" "Aggravated trespass" "Identified by eyewitnesses" & to finish off "Arrest necessary to deal promptly with the allegations". Seems pretty clear to me he's got "previous" or why would they bother ?

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Cant you see really why he was pulled in.

I ask you the same ? Our wisdom comes from our experience, and our experience comes from our foolishness

jaysay · 06-05-2011, 09:23

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Suggest you listen again "D" using both ears & you'll hear these rather quaint expressions such as "Reasonable grounds" "Conspired with others" "Aggravated trespass" "Identified by eyewitnesses" & to finish off "Arrest necessary to deal promptly with the allegations". Seems pretty clear to me he's got "previous" or why would they bother ?

I ask you the same ? Our wisdom comes from our experience, and our experience comes from our foolishness

Amen to that Dave

***Mr D*** · 06-05-2011, 12:10

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Suggest you listen again "D" using both ears & you'll hear these rather quaint expressions such as "Reasonable grounds" "Conspired with others" "Aggravated trespass" "Identified by eyewitnesses" & to finish off "Arrest necessary to deal promptly with the allegations". Seems pretty clear to me he's got "previous" or why would they bother ?

I ask you the same ? Our wisdom comes from our experience, and our experience comes from our foolishness

I state again suspicion. You really believe that the police wouldnt make things up?

Why would they bother, because he was silly enough to go on youtube & TV saying he was going to be at the royal wedding stating his opinions on his loud speaker. Which is what he does, Nothing Illegal, just he seems to be gettng to much media attention and this would divert some attention from the ritual that was taking place.

Lets see if he gets charged / convicted with anything.

Have you any comments on video 2.

Lucysgirl · 06-05-2011, 12:43

have just listened to charlie veitch - what a jumped up little pipsqueak !

walkinman221 · 06-05-2011, 16:32

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

I state again suspicion. You really believe that the police wouldnt make things up?

Why would they bother, because he was silly enough to go on youtube & TV saying he was going to be at the royal wedding stating his opinions on his loud speaker. Which is what he does, Nothing Illegal, just he seems to be gettng to much media attention and this would divert some attention from the ritual that was taking place.

Lets see if he gets charged / convicted with anything.

Have you any comments on video 2.

If they didnt consider him a threat why would they "make things up" , i mean its not like they had a lot on that day is it

jaysay · 06-05-2011, 17:56

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

If they didnt consider him a threat why would they "make things up" , i mean its not like they had a lot on that day is it

Its just like football hooligans the police sort um out before they do out wrong prevention is best form of deterrent

***Mr D*** · 06-05-2011, 18:05

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

If they didnt consider him a threat why would they "make things up" , i mean its not like they had a lot on that day is it

A threat? How is he a threat?

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Its just like football hooligans the police sort um out before they do out wrong prevention is best form of deterrent

Hooligans will cause damage, harm to others.

All he and others where going to do is talk on a loud speakers, hand out flyers, hold signs up, ect which is (At this moment) legal in this country.

jaysay · 06-05-2011, 18:13

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A threat? How is he a threat?

Hooligans will cause damage, harm to others.

All he and others where going to do is talk on a loud speakers, hand out flyers, hold signs up, ect which is (At this moment) legal in this country.

These cretins are just bloody minded anarchist, with a thirst for the limelight, better to get them of the streets before the rest of the public take offence, (which was quite possible on this day) a cause real problems, think its called nipping it in the bud BEFORE it gets out of hand, sorted

***Mr D*** · 06-05-2011, 18:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay

These cretins are just bloody minded anarchist, with a thirst for the limelight, better to get them of the streets before the rest of the public take offence, (which was quite possible on this day) a cause real problems, think its called nipping it in the bud BEFORE it gets out of hand, sorted

I must agree Charley does like the limelight. But a bloody minded anarchist im not to sure on.

I dont like bag pipes, but if they are playing in town I dont call the police and report a public nucence.

A few of the protestors that where there. Not much offence taken?

accyman · 10-05-2011, 13:05

isnt it a bit counter productive to have to ask permission to stage a protest ?

dear mr cameron i wish to stage a protest is that ok?

mr cameron - err no not today iv got a headache now go away .

i thought the whole idea of freedom of speech and the right to protest was that you didnt have to ask permission to do so

the two most successful protests i can think of are the polltax and fuel blockade protests and their success i would suggest was down to the government not been aksed for permission to hold them

mind you good old tony blair soon made sure it could never happen again and made protesting an act of terrorism so even if you use your right to protest you can end up been arrested as a terrorist and held longer without charge than what you would for mugging an old lady.

***Mr D*** · 10-05-2011, 17:37

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Originally Posted by accyman

isnt it a bit counter productive to have to ask permission to stage a protest ?

dear mr cameron i wish to stage a protest is that ok?

mr cameron - err no not today iv got a headache now go away .

i thought the whole idea of freedom of speech and the right to protest was that you didnt have to ask permission to do so

the two most successful protests i can think of are the polltax and fuel blockade protests and their success i would suggest was down to the government not been aksed for permission to hold them

mind you good old tony blair soon made sure it could never happen again and made protesting an act of terrorism so even if you use your right to protest you can end up been arrested as a terrorist and held longer without charge than what you would for mugging an old lady.

Exactly. At least someone gets it.

walkinman221 · 10-05-2011, 18:44

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Originally Posted by accyman

isnt it a bit counter productive to have to ask permission to stage a protest ?

dear mr cameron i wish to stage a protest is that ok?

mr cameron - err no not today iv got a headache now go away .

i thought the whole idea of freedom of speech and the right to protest was that you didnt have to ask permission to do so

the two most successful protests i can think of are the polltax and fuel blockade protests and their success i would suggest was down to the government not been aksed for permission to hold them

mind you good old tony blair soon made sure it could never happen again and made protesting an act of terrorism so even if you use your right to protest you can end up been arrested as a terrorist and held longer without charge than what you would for mugging an old lady.

No not really, can you imagine if every tom dick or harry could just turn and protest.What would happen if huge numbers turned up, and they were bent on violence or destruction of property.The police and local councils, traders, and local residents need to be prepared for any possible disruption.

***Mr D*** · 10-05-2011, 18:51

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

No not really, can you imagine if every tom dick or harry could just turn and protest.What would happen if huge numbers turned up, and they were bent on violence or destruction of property.The police and local councils, traders, and local residents need to be prepared for any possible disruption.

Why do some people always hear protest and think of violence & destruction.

Well Conditioned.