Arrested before comiting a crime (Pre Crime)

[accyman]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

No not really, can you imagine if every tom dick or harry could just turn and protest.What would happen if huge numbers turned up, and they were bent on violence or destruction of property.The police and local councils, traders, and local residents need to be prepared for any possible disruption.

one could argue that if the government has upset the people to the extent that violent protests are breaking out they should perhaps have a rethink on things.

im all for giving a heads up to the police that a protest is been planned but having to ask if its ok to have a protest goes against democracy

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Exactly. At least someone gets it.

Wrong For some forms of protest & demonstration no permission is required, so before you start getting all umpty with plod & the nation check the facts. The other week all over the local news & press Mums were protesting outside town halls & day care centres about cuts, Council workers picketing about job cuts, pretty sure they didn't ask to do so, yet they weren't moved on ! Why ? Probably because they weren't intent on disruption & goading the authorities into confrontation as appears to be the case in the clips you've posted. Have a read of the link below then see how much pish & wind is being spouted.

Your rights - The Right of Peaceful Protest

[walkinman221]

Originally Posted by accyman

one could argue that if the government has upset the people to the extent that violent protests are breaking out they should perhaps have a rethink on things.

im all for giving a heads up to the police that a protest is been planned but having to ask if its ok to have a protest goes against democracy

Some of the people who rocked up at the recent protests in London, had no intention of protesting peacefully. And it had nothing to do with policy or laws made by the government they just fancied a bit of rioting and property destruction, for the sake of it. It had nothing to do with their political leanings,they were just thugs and hooligans hell bent on causing as much damage as possible, whilst hiding behind a cause they have no empathy with.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Why do some people always hear protest and think of violence & destruction.

Well Conditioned.

Maybe because it always turns out like that

[***Mr D***]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Maybe because it always turns out like that

Total Rubbish.

Maybe if you believe what the media says.

[***Mr D***]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Wrong For some forms of protest & demonstration no permission is required, so before you start getting all umpty with plod & the nation check the facts. The other week all over the local news & press Mums were protesting outside town halls & day care centres about cuts, Council workers picketing about job cuts, pretty sure they didn't ask to do so, yet they weren't moved on ! Why ? Probably because they weren't intent on disruption & goading the authorities into confrontation as appears to be the case in the clips you've posted. Have a read of the link below then see how much pish & wind is being spouted.

Your rights - The Right of Peaceful Protest

Whats wrong?

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by accyman

isnt it a bit counter productive to have to ask permission to stage a protest ?

i thought the whole idea of freedom of speech and the right to protest was that you didnt have to ask permission to do so

the two most successful protests i can think of are the polltax and fuel blockade protests and their success i would suggest was down to the government not been aksed for permission to hold them

The comment by Accyman to which you replied

Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Exactly. At least someone gets it.

Was your answer referring to the statement that you're having to apply to protest & as such inferring your freedom of speech & right to protest has been removed.

Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Whats wrong?

Your misguided view about the right to protest ! It isn't compulsory to register to stage an event as long as certain conditions are adhered to & abided by. So again, just for you "D", be a good Lad & have a read (see below) before going off on one.

Your rights - The Right of Peaceful Protest

[***Mr D***]

Dave.

My whole point of the thred was the fact the A few people got arrested for something they had not done. (Pre Crime).

I know you do not have to apply to protest (apart from certain places in london IIRC).

Accyman - "I thought the whole idea of freedom of speech and the right to protest was that you didnt have to ask permission to do so."

Exactly.

So "DIG" - Thanks for the link, but I never once said you have to apply to protest. Im sure if I did you will point it out to me.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Total Rubbish.

Maybe if you believe what the media says.

Some how its hard to hide it when cameras are there to capture every move

[***Mr D***]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Some how its hard to hide it when cameras are there to capture every move

And pay people to do it in some cases.

Better ban Football then.

Was there any violence/destruction at the recent fuel protest?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

My whole point of the thred was the fact the A few people got arrested for something they had not done. (Pre Crime).

So where would you draw the line?

If the police know about a bomb plot do you want them to wait until people have been killed before they arrest the bombers so they are not arrested for pre-crime?

What about if the Police see a drunk about to get into a car and drive off, should they wait until he sets off or arrest him before he gets in?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

So where would you draw the line?

If the police know about a bomb plot do you want them to wait until people have been killed before they arrest the bombers so they are not arrested for pre-crime?

What about if the Police see a drunk about to get into a car and drive off, should they wait until he sets off or arrest him before he gets in?

Neil thats far to simplistic for Mr D

[***Mr D***]

Originally Posted by Neil

So where would you draw the line?

If the police know about a bomb plot do you want them to wait until people have been killed before they arrest the bombers so they are not arrested for pre-crime?

What about if the Police see a drunk about to get into a car and drive off, should they wait until he sets off or arrest him before he gets in?

I would look at the crime in hand, and act accordingly.

1. Bombers - Providing there was Evidence to support the arrest then arrest as soon as possible.

2. As soon as the drunk is in the vehicle with the keys he is ready for arrest.

The Thred is about people (Look at them in the videos) who arnt going to cause possible harm to anyone, damage property or commit fraud. so no Common Law is being broken.

[MargaretR]

These arrests are an uncomfortable sign that yet another control mechanism forecasted in Orwell's 1984 is being used -
Thought Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The term "Thought Police", by extension, has come to refer to real or perceived enforcement of ideological correctness, or preemptive policing where a person is apprehended in anticipation of the possibility that they may commit a crime, in any modern or historical contexts."

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

These arrests are an uncomfortable sign that yet another control mechanism forecasted in Orwell's 1984 is being used -
Thought Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The term "Thought Police", by extension, has come to refer to real or perceived enforcement of ideological correctness, or preemptive policing where a person is apprehended in anticipation of the possibility that they may commit a crime, in any modern or historical contexts."

Or in the words of Kenneth Williams, Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it infamy