Assault - Page 3

andrewb · 27-06-2007, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Cyfr, I'm really sorry to hear about this and hope that the idiots who did it get some sort of retribution. I would hope that whether they were Asian or white or any other colour for that matter - it's good that you managed to identify them to the police and they can keep their eye on them.

I know you said it was four Asian lads who did this but how can you be sure it was a racist attack? I'm not trying to say that it was any less of a crime - just want to know if you're absolutely sure it was because of race. There are many incidents of attacks where the victim and attacker are of the same race so why if the two are of different races should it automatically be assumed that that is the reason for the attack.

Just checking.

Racist abuse was used before the physical attack.

Gayle · 27-06-2007, 20:27

Fair enough Cyfr.

WillowTheWhisp · 27-06-2007, 21:56

I assumed that when he says he was racially abused that they were doing a bit of name calling before they became physically violent.

WillowTheWhisp · 27-06-2007, 21:57

oops, missed those last 2 posts.

katex · 27-06-2007, 22:43

Whatever the reason Cyfr, twas an assault in any language, so good luck in bringing these idiots to justice. Forget the money/compensation, not what it is about, and sure you know that.

Sure your parents are behind you in this, as we are here, if it were my lad, would move heaven and earth to make sure they don't do it again ...

WillowTheWhisp · 27-06-2007, 23:12

It's awful when you can't feel safe on the streets isn't it?

garinda · 28-06-2007, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Fair enough Cyfr.

Cyfr pm'd me what had happened to him, before he posted about in a thread. I didn't think to question him, when he told me it was a racist attack. From his posts on here I know he wouldn't have labelled the crime as racist, unless it actually was.

garinda · 28-06-2007, 00:10

...he said in the very first post, in the second sentence, he was racially abused and then attacked.

Seems prtty clear cut to me.

piltymon · 28-06-2007, 09:31

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Originally Posted by garinda

That's a misconception. The law, including the race laws, are applicable to everyone in this country, irrespective of the colour of their skin.

There have been plenty of successful prosecutions brought against people who have committed race crimes against white people.

Here's just one of many examples.

BBC NEWS | UK | Racism and race crime redefined

How come it's fine for a blackman to call anyone he chooses the famous N word and yet, when a whiteman uses the same, word in the same context, he'd better make sure there ain't a cop listening? I also am not a racist. I'm groupist, does that make me groopist or a groupie?

cashman · 28-06-2007, 09:49

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Originally Posted by piltymon

How come it's fine for a blackman to call anyone he chooses the famous N word and yet, when a whiteman uses the same, word in the same context, he'd better make sure there ain't a cop listening? I also am not a racist. I'm groupist, does that make me groopist or a groupie?

good point and correct to the best of my understanding,its something that really "BUGS" me.

WillowTheWhisp · 28-06-2007, 11:15

It's to do with having 'reclaimed' the word apparently but some people use it to taunt white people and that is equally racist and offensive.

garinda · 28-06-2007, 11:22

Strange that Gayle felt strongly enough to call in her complaint to Channel 4, thinking the bullying of Shilpa Shetty was racist, but questioned whether the attack on Cyfr was, even though he said he was racially abused before he was attacked.

Gayle · 28-06-2007, 11:30

Garinda please don't try to provoke an argument when there isn't one there. The two things are completely unrelated.

I have pm'd Cyfr (and you) to clarify why I asked - I have also acknowledged on thread that that it was a racist attack.

blazey · 28-06-2007, 22:30

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Originally Posted by garinda

Strange that Gayle felt strongly enough to call in her complaint to Channel 4, thinking the bullying of Shilpa Shetty was racist, but questioned whether the attack on Cyfr was, even though he said he was racially abused before he was attacked.

people actually did that on this forum lol? I can't help but ask the question why anyone needs to question someones ability to decide whether an attack against them was a racial one or not.

Cyfr and Shilpa Shetty are both old enough to decide whether attacks against them were racially aggravated or not, it doesn't take a busy body to point it out for them!

Mancie · 28-06-2007, 23:32

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Originally Posted by piltymon

How come it's fine for a blackman to call anyone he chooses the famous N word and yet, when a whiteman uses the same, word in the same context, he'd better make sure there ain't a cop listening? I also am not a racist. I'm groupist, does that make me groopist or a groupie?

Are you speaking from personal experience piltymon?.. can you back up your statement with actual figures?.. how many people have been arrested for calling someone a nigger?.. give us some facts and figures.
Just on a personal note can I ask if you call people niggers in day to day conversations?